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Let's bang our heads together and design our own fifth gen Camaro. What would it have to be to get us to part with our hard earned cash?
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IRS . . . designed for the car, not a bolt-in substitution like the Mustang.
minimum 350 HP from the factory - but a "conservative" estimate ala the LS1
OHC V8? I'm torn on this one, but I think maybe the time has come to update it for the Gen 4 motor. Only so much can be done w/ the venerable pushrod design.
A lighter, but stiffer chassis.
BETTER BRAKES!!! I cannot stress this enough. As good as the factory brakes are, I think there is a great deal of room for improvement. Not Brembo level, but at least some improvement.
Even w/ a redesigned power plant, leave plenty of room for modifications & meddling by owners and aftermarket alike. Helps keep the spirit alive!
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Better use of space, like Dan said for a big car there isnt a lot of space. A 6 cyl that will sell so the Z28 and SS have a chance. Keep weight down How about the 7 Litre 427 LS1 out of the C5R? Posts: 277 | From: Peoria, AZ | Registered: Feb 2000
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A sleek 2dr coupe (or T-Top, Drop Top) that has RWD, practicaly a FULL chassis, for the rigidity, somewhere in the neighborhood of 350 - 375 HP. Something fast, but something that can be improved upon with aftermarket parts.
I'm 'old' school, so I still prefer pushrods.
Something that stops well, several times in a row, but not necessarily at a roadrace level. (I preferred to upgrade my brakes with GMPP for that specific purpose, the stocks where OK for the street & lite/moderate use)
SC or Turbo'd and properly engineered IRS possiblites.
Better use of interior room, whether its able to seat 4 full sized people or just 2 and 2 kids (I opt for the latter, since I fold the seat down anyway most of the time), removing the(un-necessary)floor pan hump.
Maybe it should be: 1) Base Camaro - V6 2) Z28 - V8 & some go fast stuff 3) Z28R - V8 & even more go fast stuff 4) Z28R/SS - V8 & even MORE go fast stuff
------------------ Mike - Maryland Chapter Director, MAFBA
A Zaino'd Hugger coupe, w/a Grey cloth interior and an A4. In addition, there's an SLP OEM Diff cover w/drain plug, SLP SFC's and PanHard Rod and BMR's STB that has been installed. It has the airbox raised for a little more fresh air with a Whisper Lid on top and fuel rail covers added for show. It has always run on Mobil 1. GMPP DuraStop pads on all four corners & GMPP front rotors help to control the 3510 lb 'beast' on the street and at the track. A current member of MAFB, MAFBA, NASA, SCCA & SSOA.
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Posts: 1446 | From: Germantown, MD USA | Registered: Feb 2000
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I think the RS Camaro should come with a Supercharged V6! AND a 5speed.
Imagine a 240+Hp V6 with a Camaro SS suspension. Road racer!! Better balanced car.
Let me see what would I really like.
How about a 6 liter DOHC motor and a 6 speed Transaxle. Independent suspension all around.
And YES! get rid of that DAMN hump in the passenger floor.
TRUE DUAL EXHAUST!! a REAL muscle car needs DUAL EXHAUST!
How about a PADDLE SHIFTER LEVERS ala Ferrari Modena?!?!!? ok, wishful thinking!
I just hope that whatever they build its RWD, 6speed tranny and has at LEAST 350hp.
Doug ps. I wonder what would happen if Dodge, Ford and GM all made pony cars that were to compete against each other? I wonder what new and exciting things would happen then?? hmmmm...
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Retro style appearance without compromising modern looks. Less GLASS(way too easy to get water spots). RWD platform Independant rear susp. Stronger rearend 350+ HP More space in the cockpit and better plastic Interior. NO passenger side hump. Dual Exhaust Throaty rumble. Need to wake up the base LS1. The 2otl Exhaust makes the car sound like a muscle car
------------------ Anthony 1997 30th Anniversary SS #0796/#0203 SSOA F97-0796 Proud member of MAFBA and SSOA Director and Founder of the Long Island Fbody Assoc.(LIFBA) And all around nice guy!! Home of 1997 SS#0796/0203
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A machine gun mounted in the SS grille to pick off the slow people in front of us or the few people taht might actually be able to beat us
------------------ -Collin- 98' Camaro SS #2513 Sebring Silver,Gray leather, Hurst 6-speed,Traction control, SLP options: Dual-Dual, floormats. Mods: Xenon headlights (It isn't much but it was free), more to come... Pictures Ordered: Hotchkis STB, Whisper Lid w/K&N, !CAGS, Lou's Short Stick
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Get rid of the back seat all together. Give us a bit more trunk space and a bit more front seat space (hey, I'm 6'3" and I barely fit into my SS).
Cup Holders MUST be able to hold a Super Big Gulp from 7-11, apparenlty they designed current cup holders for little old ladies coffees.
At least 350 HP!
Electronic retracting radio antenna.
The SS should come standard with the a SS grille.
Make a special edition RS/SS
------------------ 2000 SS #6593 www.msu.edu/~milbran1 Onyx exterior, Ebony Leather interior T-tops M6 w/ Hurst SLP Skip Shift Eliminator Y2Y: SS car cover Key fobs and dash plaque Alpine 3DA-7987 3 disk 2 MTX amps Infinity 6 1/2s MTX Thunderform F-body enclosure with 10" sub
* no separate tonneau cover ... do it like the 'vette or the gen 3 ragtops. I'd rather give up a little trunk space and not need to carry tonneaus. * some sort of rollover protection to let us run faster than 14.00 in the quarter and on some of the road courses * design the ragtop first ... like the 'vette ... so the structural rigidity is up to snuff * more toys ... make equipment available at least to the level of let's say .. the GTP * all the basics need to stay V8, RWD, manual transmission, I'd be happy to get another LS1 ... the performance parts are just starting to get interesting ... * share a platform and plant ... with the 'vette or Catera or whatever ... so that 50,000 units a year is an acceptable target * save some costs by combining the Camaro and Firebird * a performance package with stuff like seats with side support ... a really tight suspension ... 18" wheels would be nice
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Keep the rear seats - perhaps even give them a couple more inches of leg room. Maybe a split folding rear seat to allow for a little more cargo and a 3rd passenger.
Keep the rear wheel drive. Much as I like the AWD on my Bravada - I don't want it to muck up the suspension design of a car like this.
More trunk space and a different way to stow the T-Tops so that you don't have to chose between tops off and a small suitcase or ice-chest. (Maybe something like the Corvette "wagons" I used to see in the Dallas area about 20 years ago.)
Optional heads-up GPS navigation system with steering wheel mounted controls. (Love my StreetPilot and wish it was integrated with the car.) Also a DELETE option for the OnStar cr*p that will almost certainly be standard on everything GM by then.
Over-ride (or better yet, explicit "enable") switches for the auto-headlights and DRL.
A DELETE option for AIRBAGS.
No automatic climate controls - especially not "dual zone".
No "automatic" door unlock (like the C5 currently has).
No passenger side hump (and don't move it to a different location either!).
Natural aspiration.
All spark plugs located where an actual human can get at them w/o having to do major deconstruction of the car (same for the starter motor). Room in the bay to actually work on the engine (on my '70 Impala, I could practically stand in the engine compartment while I worked on it - and I miss that!).
Coolant Level Sensor and Fuel Gague system that don't do "funky" things. Brake rotors that don't warp from normal, non-abusive usage.
To make highway trips a little less bothersome - larger fuel tank capacity. ~20 gallons would be good. 24 gallons would be excellent. (Maybe this could be achieved via an optional add-on "touring" tank.)
Keep the "fixed" antenna - or maybe embed it in the windshield (again, like the '70 Impala).
An optional "integrated" Valentine radar/laser detection system - where legal.
Better front seats - like Pontiac uses. Better leather too, like Oldsmobile uses.
The size of the doors is a problem. Not quite sure what to do about that. I don't think gull-wings would be the answer.
Everything comes with an SS style hood. (Short funny story: While shopping for an F-body last year we'd just been to the Pontiac lot and moved onto the Chevy lot. When we came to their long row of Camaros (mostly Z-28s), there's 1 SS in the lineup. My 8 year old daugher walks right up to the SS, points to it and days: "Daddy! This one *looks* like a sports car!" HaHa. Gotta love that!)
Keep the fixed headlights.
A (documented) TCS mode that allows for a little more slip.
Full sized spare tire!
------------------ I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder.
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Posts: 64 | From: Houston, Tx USA | Registered: Aug 2000
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How about a totally of the wall concept ...
Forget about something that can also be marketed as a decent commuter V6 car ... and do just the V8 and package a matching Geo Metro or something with it to keep the fleet CAFE balanced. Seems most everybody has someone in the family that could use the extra car anyway ... or as the winter beater.
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