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chrisL
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From SEMAs monthly magazine.

http://home.comcast.net/~hotrodhawk/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-979878.html

any comments Mr Yachnin?

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quote:
Originally posted by chrisL:
From SEMAs monthly magazine.

http://home.comcast.net/~hotrodhawk/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-979878.html

any comments Mr Yachnin?

I don't work there any more - I didn't think Reggie did either. What can I say?

By the way, its ZL7, not Z17.

[ 02. October 2003, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: JeffY ]

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quote:
Originally posted by JeffY:
By the way, its ZL7, not Z17.

ok, the picture is fuzzy. LOL

none the less, it does look very good.

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His lips are sealed, huh? [Wink]

I really like the exhaust on that ZL7. And I can't wait to see what they have for the GTO. [Big Grin]

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To bad its a only a rear shot and you can't see the headlamps.
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may have been under development before the
plug got pulled! Oh well - on we go!

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Nope-all developed.
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quote:
Originally posted by JeffY:
To bad its a only a rear shot and you can't see the headlamps.

Fixed like the C6??

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quote:
Originally posted by JeffY:
Too bad its a only a rear shot and you can't see the headlamps.

Fixed like the C6??

[ 02. October 2003, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: mhayman ]

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The Vette was ready to roll, summer 2002
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Delete double post [Mad]

[ 02. October 2003, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: mhayman ]

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quote:
Originally posted by chrisL:
quote:
Originally posted by JeffY:
By the way, its ZL7, not Z17.

ok, the picture is fuzzy. LOL
Z17 is the new top-secret Zaino product, LOL. [Smile]
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Very interesting.....

[ 02. October 2003, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: MM ]

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Ok, so may be a dumb question, but the "before the plug got pulled" comment got me thinking. With the restructuring, etc, at SLP, is there still any hope of these becoming a reality?
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quote:
Originally posted by 10thhawk103:
Ok, so may be a dumb question, but the "before the plug got pulled" comment got me thinking. With the restructuring, etc, at SLP, is there still any hope of these becoming a reality?

who knows. they arent out of business. they could use the SLP Canada team to develop parts.

The C5 package... might be too late with the C6 coming soon. I think that window of opportunity closed.... but I dont have any info from SLP regarding this. this is my opinion.

GTO... I think theres a better chance of seeing that. I agree with Reggie Harris' comments that GM is taking the GTO in a different direction. Lutz said they are targeting GTO at perspective Infinity/Lexus/BMW buyers. SLP could find a niche if they do a package that appeals to the GTO traditionalists. Again, this is my personal opinion, nothing has been said by SLP to me.

That being said... rumors are GM is going to do an "upscale" GTO version in '05 or '06.

I will ask Dave and/or Ed Hamburger at SLP CAD next weeekend and see what they have to say.

[ 03. October 2003, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: chrisL ]

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Thanks Chris! Wish I could make CAD myself! Was all set to go, then had a work conflict come up so can't make it!
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I thought SLP Canada declared bankruptcy, which is to say it is no longer around.

BTW, there was a C6 at the Corvette assembly plant when we toured it on Thursday. It was under a car cover and we walked by it on the opposite side of an aisle.

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chrisL
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill Mason:
I thought SLP Canada declared bankruptcy, which is to say it is no longer around.

They did declare bankruptcy, but they are operating under a different incorporated names. Here is one of them. http://www.slppowerproducts.com

They had a business deal with a French company that went under, and that company left them with a bag full of debt. To oversimplify it, the French company screwed them. SLP Canada was essentially forced to make a business decision to declare bankruptcy.

[ 03. October 2003, 08:50 AM: Message edited by: chrisL ]

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Jeffy developed the Corvette and then he is gone! Power struggle at SLP? Jeffy was one of the best most personable SLP ever had!
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Am I the only one thats thought of the fact that this engine, the LS1, can be easily bored and stroked to either 389 or 426??
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill Mason:
I thought SLP Canada declared bankruptcy, which is to say it is no longer around.

Bankruptcy doesn't necessarily mean you stop operating. They just had to reorganize and get their creditors in order. United Airlines is a perfect example of that - not to say SLP is like UAL!
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quote:
Originally posted by chrisL:

They had a business deal with a French company that went under, and that company left them with a bag full of debt. To oversimplify it, the French company screwed them. SLP Canada was essentially forced to make a business decision to declare bankruptcy.

Hey, you can always count on the French to screw you! [Roll Eyes]
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quote:
Originally posted by 2002 SLP SS:
Power struggle at SLP? Jeffy was one of the best most personable SLP ever had!

no, it was nothing like that at all.

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Cant just call it "bankruptcy." That is, unless they filed chapter 7. Might have been chapter 11, reorganization of debts/assets/equities, which means they aren't out of business. But then again, I dont know what the Canadian laws are. [Smile]

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I don't know, even though the C6 is coming out it's just the coupe not the Vert. They will still be building the C5 Vert's along with the C6 coupe. So there might be a market for the vette people that want a vert but would have to wait a year until they can get one.

As far as the GTO nameplate I would love to see a new judge sitting at the stop light one day. [Big Grin]

[ 03. October 2003, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: 35th 02 ss ]

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more fuel to the speculation fire.

I did a search at the US Patent and Trademark Office website and turned these up.

Typed Drawing
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Word Mark THE JUDGE
Goods and Services IC 012. US 019 021 023 031 035 044. G & S: automobiles
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 78121405
Filing Date April 12, 2002
Filed ITU FILED AS ITU
Published for Opposition October 22, 2002
Owner (APPLICANT) SLP Automotive Group, Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1465 Axtel Road Troy MICHIGAN 48084
Attorney of Record Oliver E. Todd, Jr.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE


Typed Drawing
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Word Mark HERE COME DA JUDGE
Goods and Services IC 012. US 019 021 023 031 035 044. G & S: automobiles
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 76447234
Filing Date September 6, 2002
Filed ITU FILED AS ITU
Published for Opposition May 6, 2003
Owner (APPLICANT) SLP Automotive Group, Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1465 Axtell Road Troy MICHIGAN 48084
Attorney of Record Scott A. Blake
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE


Typed Drawing
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Word Mark BOBCAT
Goods and Services IC 012. US 019 021 023 031 035 044. G & S: Automobiles
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 78268782
Filing Date June 30, 2003
Filed ITU FILED AS ITU
Owner (APPLICANT) SLP Automotive Group, Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1465 Axtell Road Troy MICHIGAN 48084
Attorney of Record Oliver E. Todd, Jr.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

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<<Am I the only one thats thought of the fact that this engine, the LS1, can be easily bored and stroked to either 389 or 426?? >>

I've read you can't bore it to a 389 or 426. The walls are too thin. I'll dig up the article if you like.

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That also requires complete resubmission of the EPA certification, makes it unavailable for sale in Califonia, unless recertified. The car then becomes usable for "off-road use only" [Wink]
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quote:
I've read you can't bore it to a 389 or 426. The walls are too thin. I'll dig up the article if you like.
I believe this one will work???

http://www.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=catalog_start&catid=1978

[ 06. October 2003, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: Z28-SORR ]

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ahh yes but the million dollar question remains...

Will it be OEM?

If not, I don't see them selling very many of these "packages".

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike Bonte:
Will it be OEM?

nope.

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Oopsie! Apparently that should be 389ci or 400ci. I just like the idea of having the original ci. to go with the GTO badge.

quote:
That also requires complete resubmission of the EPA certification, makes it unavailable for sale in Califonia, unless recertified. The car then becomes usable for "off-road use only"
Did this apply to the Berger 427's.

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quote:
Originally posted by Z28-SORR:
Oopsie! Apparently that should be 389ci or 400ci. I just like the idea of having the original ci. to go with the GTO badge.

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That also requires complete resubmission of the EPA certification, makes it unavailable for sale in Califonia, unless recertified. The car then becomes usable for "off-road use only"
Did this apply to the Berger 427's.
Techincally the GMMG Phase 2 and above cars are "off road use only" Only the Phase 1's are "recertified". But you didn't hear that from me. [Razz]
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quote:
Originally posted by 380SS:
<<Am I the only one thats thought of the fact that this engine, the LS1, can be easily bored and stroked to either 389 or 426?? >>

I've read you can't bore it to a 389 or 426. The walls are too thin. I'll dig up the article if you like.

In order to change the bore size on an LS1/LS6 block, the old sleeves are bored out and new sleeves are installed. One place that I know of that does this is Agostino Racing Engines who has developed a proprietary process to do it. There are several of their bored, stroked (421 cu in) engines in our club members cars as well as a turbo'd 416 cu in engine.

Bill M
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quote:
Originally posted by chrisL:
I will ask Dave and/or Ed Hamburger at SLP CAD next weeekend and see what they have to say.

So? Anything you can report to us?
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quote:
Originally posted by poSSum:
quote:
Originally posted by chrisL:
I will ask Dave and/or Ed Hamburger at SLP CAD next weeekend and see what they have to say.

So? Anything you can report to us?
GTO package is targeted for Spring.

Ramair hood, 389 and 421 hp pkgs, plus POSSIBLY a hood mounted tach.

I didnt ask about vette pkg availability. [Frown]

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I've read you can't bore it to a 389 or 426. The walls are too thin. I'll dig up the article if you like.
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I believe this one will work???

http://www.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=catalog_start&catid=1978

[ 06. October 2003, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: Z28-SORR ]


Read below. That's an ad that I wouldn't put my money to.

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I've read you can't bore it to a 389 or 426. The walls are too thin. I'll dig up the article if you like.
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I believe this one will work???

http://www.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=catalog_start&catid=1978

[ 06. October 2003, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: Z28-SORR ]


Read below. That's an ad that I wouldn't put my money to.

I don't understand? Did I miss something?
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