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Rob_Co2
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Well, I've had my heart set on a convert TA for a while now and finally one has come up. Seems like a really good deal. Its a Black 98 with 31k miles and he wants $19,000 for it. I'm thinking that is a damn good deal. What do you guys think??? I can get $14k for my car and paying that off will be no problem. Gosh, what a decision! let me know what you guys think.

Here is my car http://www.geocities.com/rob_co2/car.htm

Here is want I want to be mine http://home.columbus.rr.com/kimberleymitchel/transam/Bird%20with%20top%20up.JPG


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Can't comment on price or the like ... but I can say ... NOTHING beats topless!!!
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She's a beauty! Did you check Kelly Blue Book or NADA on the price? www.kbb.com www.nada.com

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Give me the vin and i'll run a carfax on it. Anyone else?

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VIN# 2G2FV32GXW2230552

Thanks a lot man.


By the way, I test drove a 01 WS6 convert today. Boy am I hooked!

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CARFAX VEHICLE HISTORY REPORT SUMMARY
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* GOOD NEWS!
Carfax Analysis indicates this 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula(2G2FV32GXW2230552)
qualifies for the $5,000 Carfax Clean Title History Guarantee. By
ordering this Carfax Report, you have significantly reduced your risk of
purchasing a vehicle with a hidden problem.


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1 Vehicle Specifications 2G2FV32GXW2230552
1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula
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2 Clean Title History Analysis Clean Title History Guaranteed
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3 Odometer Fraud Analysis No Odometer Fraud Detected
Last odometer reading: 10,858
Reported on: 10/06/1999
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4 Significant Event Analysis No additional events found
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5 Vehicle Usage Analysis Checked 7 types of vehicle
registrations
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6 Vehicle History Details 6 Total Vehicle History Records Found
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NOTE: Carfax has not inspected this vehicle. It may have problems that
have not been reported to Carfax.
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How Carfax analyzed this vehicle's history:
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The VIN for this 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula (2G2FV32GXW2230552) was
checked against the nationwide Carfax Vehicle History Database containing
over 1.39 billion vehicle history records. The Carfax database
includes U.S. and Canadian title and registration activity, rental and
lease usage, odometer readings from inspection stations, auto auctions
and other sources.

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SECTION 1 CARFAX VEHICLE SPECIFICATIONS
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Vehicle ID: 2G2FV32GXW2230552
Yr/Mfg: 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula
Model: Firebird Formula
Body: 2D Conv. Compact car
Engine: 5.7L V8 PFI OHV ALUM
Fuel: Gasoline
Driveline: Rear-wheel drive
Aspiration: Normal
Country Mfg.: Canada

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SECTION 2 CLEAN TITLE HISTORY ANALYSIS
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* RESULT: GOOD NEWS!
This 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula (2G2FV32GXW2230552) has a CLEAN TITLE
HISTORY. Carfax analysis confirms this vehicle qualifies for the Carfax
$5,000 Clean Title History Guarantee.

Carfax checked this vehicle against its database to determine whether
any of the following problem titles existed for this vehicle:

Problems Analyzed: Results:
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Salvage/Junk Title-------------------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title----------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Flood Damage Title-------------------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Damage Disclosure--------------------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Manufacturer Buyback (LEMON)---------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title------> Checked - No Problem Found.
Not Actual Mileage Title-------------> Checked - No Problem Found.

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SECTION 3 ODOMETER FRAUD ANALYSIS
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* RESULT: GOOD NEWS!
Carfax analyzed all reported odometer readings for this
1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula (2G2FV32GXW2230552) and detected no odometer
fraud - also called an "odometer rollback" or "odometer clocking."

Carfax analyzed this vehicle's reported odometer readings to determine
if any reported reading is less than a previous one.

Date Reported: Odometer Reading:
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07/31/1998 2,189
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06/04/1999 10,487
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10/06/1999 10,858
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SECTION 4 SIGNIFICANT EVENT ANALYSIS
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* RESULT: GOOD NEWS!
Further analysis did not reveal any significant event history on this
1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula (2G2FV32GXW2230552).

Significant Events Analyzed Results:
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Accident Records---------------------> Checked - No Event Found.
Salvage Auction Records--------------> Checked - No Event Found.
Failed Emissions Inspection----------> Checked - No Event Found.
Fire Damage--------------------------> Checked - No Event Found.
Crash Test Vehicle-------------------> Checked - No Event Found.
Grey Market Vehicle------------------> Checked - No Event Found.

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SECTION 5 VEHICLE USAGE ANALYSIS
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FYI: The Carfax database contains registrations pertaining to how this
1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula (2G2FV32GXW2230552) was registered for use.
This Section's analysis reveals whether a vehicle has been used for
purposes other than Private Use. This information may assist you in
making a more informed purchase decision.

Usage Analyzed Results:
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Registered for Lease Use-------------> Checked - No Lease Use Found.
Registered for Rental Use------------> Checked - No Rental Use Found.
Registered for Government Use--------> Checked - No Government Use Found.
Registered for Taxi Use--------------> Checked - No Taxi Use Found.
Registered for Fleet Use-------------> Checked - No Fleet Use Found.
Registered for Commercial Use--------> Checked - No Commercial Use Found.
Registered for Non-Profit Use--------> Checked - No Non-Profit Use Found.

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SECTION 6 VEHICLE HISTORY DETAILS
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The Carfax database contains a total of 6 records on this
1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula (2G2FV32GXW2230552). Here are the
details of all available vehicle history records reported
to Carfax including those not shown in previous sections.
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Date: 07/31/1998
Odometer Reading: 2,189
Information Source:
Ohio Motor Vehicle Dept.
Sandusky, OH
Title #2200199311
General Comments:
Title issued
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Date: 06/04/1999
Odometer Reading: 10,487
Information Source:
Ohio Motor Vehicle Dept.
Columbus, OH
Title #2503440842
General Comments:
Title issued
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Date: 07/14/1999
Information Source:
Ohio Motor Vehicle Dept.
Columbus, OH
Title #2503509357
General Comments:
Title issued
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Date: 08/13/1999
Information Source:
Ohio Motor Vehicle Dept.
Columbus, OH
Title #2503509357
General Comments:
Title issued
Duplicate title issued
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Date: 08/13/1999
Information Source:
Ohio Motor Vehicle Dept.
Columbus, OH
General Comments:
Registered as private vehicle
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Date: 10/06/1999
Odometer Reading: 10,858
Information Source:
Ohio Motor Vehicle Dept.
Columbus, OH
Title #2503509357
General Comments:
Title issued
First lien reported
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a hidden problem. However, Carfax has not inspected this vehicle. There
could be other potential problems with this vehicle that have not been
reported to Carfax.

NOTE: Not all titles issued represent a change in vehicle ownership. For
example, a title could be issued to reflect an address change or correction.


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|A Three-Year, Transferable Protection Plan |
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|Carfax's $5,000 Guarantee confirms this 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula |
|(2G2FV32GXW2230552) has a Clean Title History. This certificate is valid |
|for three years from date of issue, and is transferable! |
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|$5,000 CLEAN TITLE HISTORY GUARANTEE TERMS: |
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|VIN: 2G2FV32GXW2230552 |
|Yr./Make/Model: 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula |
|Issue Date: 08/01/2001 |
|Expiration Date: 08/01/2004 |
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|Three-year Protection Plan: |
|During the next three years, should you discover a problem title in this |
|vehicle's history which was not included in this Carfax Report, Carfax |
|will pay you 10% of the vehicle's wholesale value up to $5,000! |
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|Transferable Protection: |
|This Guarantee is transferable should you sell this vehicle prior to the |
|Guarantee expiration date. The new owner receives the same protection |
|plan coverage for the balance of the Guarantee's term. |
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|Carfax agrees to pay to the holder of this report 10% of the wholesale |
|value of the car, up to $5,000, if Section 2 of this report indicates a |
|Clean Title History and a Problem Title actually exists for this vehicle.|
|A Problem Title is defined as a passenger motor vehicle ownership |
|document issued by the state that bears the word or symbol signifying |
|that the vehicle was salvaged or junked; rebuilt or reconstructed; flood |
|damaged; disclosed as damaged; bought back by the manufacturer; odometer |
|exceeds mechanical limits; odometer was not the actual mileage; or any |
|other symbol or word of like kind. Guarantee Certificate along with |
|corresponding full report must be presented in order to be eligible for |
|payment. |
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|please visit http://www.carfax.com/cfm/hctermsanddef.cfm. |
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AUTO AUCTION - Auto auctions provide Carfax with odometer readings of
vehicles brought to the auction for sale (and whether or not it sold). It is
common practice for vehicles to be wholesaled at auctions.

DAMAGE DISCLOSURE TITLE - The title issued when the seller indicates that
the vehicle has sustained damage as a result of one or more incidents. The
amount of damage varies by state.

DATE REPORTED - Refers to the date when the transaction occurred.

DEALER SERVICE COMPANY - Dealer Service Companies assist auto dealers manage
their inventories. These companies offer data services in the areas of mass
marketing, maintenance notification, unit labeling and advertising. Not all
dealer service companies report information to Carfax.

EMISSIONS INSPECTIONS - Many states or counties require annual or biennial
emissions inspections. Odometer readings are collected at the time of the
inspection.

EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS - When the seller certifies, under the Truth in
Mileage Act, that the odometer reading EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS of the
odometer, usually 99,999 miles.

EXEMPT VEHICLE - The vehicle is over 10 years old, was manufactured before
1986, and is exempt from odometer reporting requirements.

FAILED EMISSIONS INSPECTION - The tests and inspections performed at a
specific emissions check indicated the vehicle was emitting more than
allowable emissions standards and/or had missing or modified parts. An
emissions failure, even if the vehicle passes at a future date, generates a
Failed Emissions Record in the Carfax database.

FLEET MANAGEMENT COMPANY - Fleet Management Companies provide the management
of financing, insurance, maintenance and repair of fleet vehicles owned by
other businesses. Fleet companies are typically self- insured. Vehicles that
have sustained varying degrees of damage have been reported to Carfax,
however not all fleet management companies report information to Carfax.

FLOOD DAMAGE TITLE - States issue flood titles when a vehicle has been in a
flood or has received extensive water damage.

GENERAL COMMENTS - Carfax reports display important information in the
General Comment section, including potential problems for each transaction.
Comments will vary, depending on the source of the information.

INFORMATION SOURCE - Refers to the provider or origin of the transaction.
There are several sources you may see on a report including Motor Vehicle
Department, Auto Auctions, Salvage Auctions, and Emissions Inspection
Stations.

LEMON LAW VEHICLE - A vehicle with major problems which has been repurchased
by or had its price renegotiated with the manufacturer. The state marks its
official records or issues an identifying title for lemon law vehicles. Laws
vary by state as to the specific requirements for a "buyback."

LIEN - A lien is an ownership right to a piece of property. When a financial
institution loans money to someone purchasing a vehicle, the financial
institution has a lien on the vehicle. Other types of liens include
mechanics' liens and child support liens.

MOTOR VEHICLE DEPT. - Motor Vehicle Departments issue both titles and
registrations to a vehicle's owner. Each title or registration record which
appears on a Carfax report does not necessarily indicate a change in
ownership. New titles and registrations can be created for name, address and
lienholder changes; ownership changes; vehicle status changes; registration
activity; title corrections; and lost titles.

NOT ACTUAL MILEAGE - When the seller certifies, under the Truth in Mileage
Act, that the odometer reading is NOT ACTUAL MILEAGE. This may occur because
the disclosed odometer reading was not accurate and verifiable.

ODOMETER ROLLBACK - If a more recent odometer reading is less than an older
reading, then the odometer may have been "rolled back."

REBUILT/RECONSTRUCTED TITLE - The vehicle sustained damage and was rebuilt
or reconstructed, then placed back on the road.

REPOSSESSION - When a repossession occurs a vehicle owner fails to make loan
payments, and the financial institution holding the title takes possession
of the vehicle.

SALVAGE AUCTION RECORD - Vehicles that are sold at salvage auctions. These
vehicles have been declared a total loss by an insurance company, are
recovered stolen vehicles, or have been repossessed.

SALVAGE/JUNK TITLE - States issue salvage titles when an insurance company
takes possession of a vehicle as a result of a claim. This generally occurs
after a vehicle has been declared a total loss. States issue junk titles to
indicate that a vehicle is not road worthy and cannot be titled again in
that state.

SERVICE PLAN COMPANY - Service Plan Companies market extended warranty plans
to buyers of both new and used cars as mechanical breakdown insurance.
Information is collected from service plan companies when they issue
contracts and when they pay repair claims. Not all service plan companies
report information to Carfax.

TITLE ISSUED - A state issues a title to provide a vehicle owner with proof
of ownership. Each title has a unique number. Each title or registration
record which appears on a Carfax report does not necessarily indicate a
change in ownership.

TOTAL LOSS - An insurance company declares a vehicle a total loss when
paying a claim for the full value of the vehicle. Insurance companies
typically take possession and obtain the title of such vehicles.

VEHICLE ID NO. - This 17 character number is unique to each vehicle. It
identifies characteristics of the vehicle, including manufacturer, year,
model, body, engine specifications, and serial number.
http://www.carfax.com

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FOR ERRORS OR OMISSIONS IN THIS REPORT. CARFAX FURTHER EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS
ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
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2 thoughts.

1.) It said there was a lien issued, maybe the seller really needs the money or is being forced to sell. Was it reposessed? Try and get the price lower.

2.) I am so glad your RA vert came up as a formula. Mine did and it made me feel kinda fuzzy. I still haven't figured out why carfax says that.

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Rob_Co2
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Yeah, I was wondering about the firebird formula thing. You are right about the lien. He said he is selling it to get out of debt. He doesnt have many miles on it because it is not his daily driver. One thing that did interest me is all of the titles..but it said that the titles do not necessarily mean a change of owner. So, everything seems good. I dont want to try to get all I can out of him, i think its a fair price. I might ask him to knock off for shipping though ($700).
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the car looks nice..make sure you look it over real good..if there is any title problems check that first..repo..could be a hassle..
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