I received the following from the NCM for the Camaro/Firebird gathering Autocross.
Schedule 8:00 Gates open, tech starts 8:45 Drivers Meeting 9:00 First Car on Track Each driver will get 3 runs
Classes Men's Stock (street tire) Men's Mod (sticky tire) Ladies Stock (street tire) Ladies Mod (sticky tire)
Helmets Bring your own if you have. Loaners will be available.
Clothing Shorts are allowed. Closed toe shoes are mandatory.
Tech Everything on car must be tight. All loose items must be removed from passenger compartment & hatch/trunk including floor mats.
Passengers NOT allowed.
If you've attended before please use this thread for hints and tips for our "newbies" to ensure they have a great time.
Posted by poSSum (Member # 119) on :
Bring your FRS and tune to SSOA channel 3-8. We'll have someone at the scoreboard to relay times.
Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
I definitely want to try this. I need to see if my structural enhancements are as good as I think they are
[ 25. August 2003, 12:09 PM: Message edited by: DGOETZ ]
Posted by Kevin V 2002 SS (Member # 1025) on :
Art, will they let us use our own numbers or do they just use a marker on the windshield and start from 1.
Posted by Bill Mason (Member # 1807) on :
quote: If you've attended before please use this thread for hints and tips for our "newbies" to ensure they have a great time.
For newbies, here are my tips. Make sure you get to the event early (i.e.: around 8:00 AM. This will give you time to get oriented, clean out the car and pump up the tires. You may wantto bring a ground/plastic sheet to put your "stuff" on and cover it up.
Yeah, tires should be pumped up. For more or less stock cars, a good starting point is 40-42 psi in the front tires and 34-36 psi in the rear tires. All pressures are with cold tires (does not require icing them down...j/k).
You will want about 3/4 of a tank of gas for weight balance.
Check all fluids oil, coolant and brake fluid. If you have an LSI 1/2 to 1 litre over full is a good idea.
Look at the course map and COMMIT IT TO MEMORY.
Walk the course two to three times looking for lines, braking points, car placement (relative to the cones and pavement condition (bumps, slippery spots, "nails", etc). You should try and walk with someone who has solo'd for pointers and tips about the course.
Make sure you have tight fitting shoes that will not catch or drag on the carpet.
For Art....do none of the above
Oh.....I also assume that KDs are classified as "sticky" tires
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
Bill M 98 TA
Posted by HTWLSS (Member # 117) on :
Y'all are going to have to watch out for:
Posted by Steve da Wrench (Member # 1301) on :
quote:Originally posted by HTWLSS: Y'all are going to have to watch out for:
Really, I have no idea what she is talking about, or who's car that is
(hey, I only did it once, and the first two times out on course I got completely lost and went around in circles until I found my way again, kinda like when a female gives you directions!! )
I cant wait to get there! Posted by poSSum (Member # 119) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bill Mason: Oh.....I also assume that KDs are classified as "sticky" tires
Nope! Posted by John01SS (Member # 511) on :
quote:Originally posted by poSSum:
quote:Originally posted by Bill Mason: Oh.....I also assume that KDs are classified as "sticky" tires
Nope!
They oughtta!!! (This coming from the second place finisher two years in a row now.) Like Audi, Art should be banned for having an unfair advantage!!!
- John01SS
Posted by Hawkeye (Member # 88) on :
How's about Nittos?
I hope I don't get lost - again!!
Is the Auto X Friday and the Drags on Saturday?
I wanna do both!
Posted by poSSum (Member # 119) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hawkeye: How's about Nittos?
Technically they're stickies. They do have full tread though, don't they? Of course if there's only one other car with stickies again all you need to do is stay on course to grab a trophy
quote:Originally posted by Hawkeye: Is the Auto X Friday and the Drags on Saturday?
Yup, same as last year.
I'm going to skip the drags this year. Still haven't replaced the clutch. We'll probably try to do an impromtu scenic drive instead.
Bill, John, these are now 3 year old KD's. They slide around alot ...I'm expecting my luck to run out this year. Posted by Bill Mason (Member # 1807) on :
quote: Bill, John, these are now 3 year old KD's. They slide around alot ...I'm expecting my luck to run out this year.
Oh good!!
I will be on 15 month old Yoko A520s. These tires are noted for their "slipperyness" and I am not too hopeful about them either.
I am also in the midst of re-tuning the suspension as I changed rear springs (no choice as the last ones had collapsed....too soft) and the rear roll stiffness has all gone to pot (too much of it). So I will have a different rear sway bar on, but no chance to try it out before the solo.
Given that we will be on less than optimaltires will make it more interesting and fun. Now we must tell John that he also has to run on worn out tires
Bill M 98 TA (third place finish (stock class) last year)
Posted by John01SS (Member # 511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bill Mason: Given that we will be on less than optimaltires will make it more interesting and fun. Now we must tell John that he also has to run on worn out tires
I'll be running my original F1's with about 24000 miles on 'em. I did get my camber done earlier this year, so hopefully I'll have a little less push around the sharp u-turns leading to the slalom and the finish. It'll be fun!!!
- John
[ 26. August 2003, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: John01SS ]
Posted by Bill Mason (Member # 1807) on :
quote: I'll be running my original F1's with about 24000 miles on 'em. I did get my camber done earlier this year, so hopefully I'll have a little less push around the sharp u-turns leading to the slalom and the finish. It'll be fun!!!
- John
So how much negaitive camber did you dial in? Also how much toe-in is there? I have mine set for -0.9 degrees camber and zero toe-in. I have found that any amount of toe-in deadens the steering and delays initial turn-in.
Also, what is your caster set at? Mine is as much as I can get (about 3 1/2 to 4 degrees due to the car being lowered). One thing about positive caster (which we have) is that it increases negative camber on the outside wheel as the steering wheel is turned.
Bill M 98 TA
Posted by poSSum (Member # 119) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bill Mason: I am also in the midst of re-tuning the suspension as I changed rear springs (no choice as the last ones had collapsed....too soft) and the rear roll stiffness has all gone to pot (too much of it). So I will have a different rear sway bar on, but no chance to try it out before the solo.
Bill,
I went from the 21mm rear bar back to the stock 19 mm before yesterdays autocross. I have 125# rear springs ... the car felt way more glued accellerating out of corners yesterday ...on the R's. Front bar is the SLP Bilstein 35.
Posted by Kevin V 2002 SS (Member # 1025) on :
I need my front end alignment adjusted to better than stock.
Posted by Bill Mason (Member # 1807) on :
quote:Kevin wrote:
I need my front end alignment adjusted to better than stock.
It sure won't hurt. Try toe at zero, camber at -0.5 to -1.0 degree and caster to +4.5 degrees. The amount of negative camber depends on your ratio of street driving to solo/track driving. The more solo/track driving the more negative camber.
quote: Art wrote:
I went from the 21mm rear bar back to the stock 19 mm before yesterdays autocross. I have 125# rear springs ... the car felt way more glued accellerating out of corners yesterday ...on the R's. Front bar is the SLP Bilstein 35.
So you felt the difference.
Right now I have a 25 mmm bar on the back and 35 mm on the front. Front springs are 650 and back springs are 160. It is very stiff on the rear, and powering out of a corner is well....interesting
I am going to try a 21 mm and see how that works. (compensate for the front springs) I would like to wind up with a little bit of oversteer. I had a slight push with the softer rear springs, and everything else as above. I really do not like push....especially with power on, which is what it was doing at last years event. Even got a comment from the guy who directed us onto the track when I went past him with the front end slipping and catching.
I found a used 21 mm bar that should be here today. I may revert to the stock 19 mm if I notice too much oversteer in the next week or so.
Bill M 98 TA
Posted by John01SS (Member # 511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bill Mason: So how much negaitive camber did you dial in? Also how much toe-in is there? I have mine set for -0.9 degrees camber and zero toe-in. I have found that any amount of toe-in deadens the steering and delays initial turn-in.
I had them give me -0.8 degrees camber and a minimal amount of toe-in (1/32 total) to keep the car streetable. I'm pretty sure I kept the caster at the stock value.
- John
Posted by Bill Mason (Member # 1807) on :
quote: I went from the 21mm rear bar back to the stock 19 mm before yesterdays autocross. I have 125# rear springs ... the car felt way more glued accellerating out of corners yesterday ...on the R's. Front bar is the SLP Bilstein 35.
Well, I installed a 21 mm rear away bar this weekend. Based on some testing (with moderation) on the street, there is quite a big improvement.
Art, as you noted, it digs much better off the apexes without the rear skating out that I was getting with the 25 mm bar. So far, I am quite happy with the results.
Bill M 98 TA
Posted by lilredss (Member # 1969) on :
What do I need to bring to put a number on my car for auto x? Another question, does anyone know if they are going to our registration number for our car number?
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Kevin V 2002 SS (Member # 1025) on :
If we already have magnetic numbers for our cars (I auto-X on a semi-regular basis and at events) can we use those instead of them applying the numbers to the windows???
[ 12. September 2003, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: Kevin V 2002 SS ]
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