1. Open the hood 2. Disconnect the negative (-) battery cable. 3. Open the black box that contains fuses and relays on the driver's side. 4. Twist off the plastic screw and take the cover off. 5. Find the fog-light relay, labeled in block H. There is a list of labels for the wires inside the box cover. 6. The Black box is held down by 6 plastic retainers connected to the frame, push them in with a flathead screw driver and pop off the bottom piece. 7. Look at the bottom where the wires go into the box, and locate where the fog light relay is. You should see the following wires: orange - yellow - purple - light green 8. Cut the light green wire. Then get some extra wire (e.g. speaker wire) and attach it to the end of the wire coming out of the relay box. This gives you enough length to ground it. Use one of the hex-head screws holding the left fender piece as the ground. Even though the fender is fiberglass the screw still touches the frame. Unscrew it a little bit and wrap the wire around and retighten the screw. 9. Put electrical tape around the end of the (dead end) light green wire coming out of the harness. 10. Put the Box back on its mounting, it should snap into place. 11. Put the cover back on. 12. Reattach the negative battery cable. 13. Check the fog lights, low beam, hi-beam, and then fog+hi beam. *** Notice: The amber light on the fog light switch which lights up when they are on, WILL still go out when HI-BEAM is activated. It’s no big deal. The circuitry inside the light selection switch still turns it off.
Posted by JeffY (Member # 120) on :
Be careful-its illegal in most states.
Posted by Hawkeye (Member # 88) on :
why?
Posted by sscamaro (Member # 1330) on :
Because fog lights are suppose to go off when the high beam is on. I put fog lights on my S-10,with just an "on & off" switch. When I had it inspected,I either had to have it connected to the light switch or remove them. For the reason mentioned above.So,I just removed them.
Posted by MM (Member # 1247) on :
quote: Then get some extra wire (e.g. speaker wire) and attach
Uhhh... if I did that mod to my car I would use something a little beefier then just plain 'ol speaker wire....
Posted by JeffY (Member # 120) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hawkeye: why?
Too much candlepower.
Posted by chrisL (Member # 97) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hawkeye: why?
least of your worries are fog lights.... wonder what inspection would think if they found your strobe lights swtich!
Posted by DanPazich (Member # 1352) on :
quote:Originally posted by chrisL:
quote:Originally posted by Hawkeye: why?
least of your worries are fog lights.... wonder what inspection would think if they found your strobe lights swtich!
People would be pulling over to the side of the road thinking you were a cop....ok, not really Posted by Hawkeye (Member # 88) on :
quote:Originally posted by chrisL:
quote:Originally posted by Hawkeye: why?
least of your worries are fog lights.... wonder what inspection would think if they found your strobe lights swtich!
We don't have those kind of inspections! Posted by ErinMarie (Member # 1422) on :
its illegal to have fogs on with high beams in NJ
Posted by DanA_F99_1977 (Member # 118) on :
It's illegal here too. It's stupid. Cars with misaligned headlights are worse. Some cars have lights so bright that I slow way down when they are coming towards me. If there is a deer or moose on the road I would never see it!
That is more dangerous than fogs and high beams if they are aimed correctly. You wouldn't have high beams on when a car is appraching anyway. I never did get that one.
Posted by Bonequark (Member # 1923) on :
One of the most inconsiderate things on the road today is goombahs with high beams and fog lights blaring coming right at you. Should be arrested on the spot for having no common sense or consideration. Sorry, but that's how I feel about it.
-Bone
Posted by Bill Mason (Member # 1807) on :
This is one of those laws that does make sense to me either. You use high beams when there are no other cars in front or coming at you. The idea (in my mind) is to get as much light in front of you as possible.
The only explanation I can possibly come up with is if this law is restricted to "fog lights" only (which I do not think it is) as the argument would go that they are overpowered by the high bemas and thus not needed. However, aimed correctly "fog lights" would still provide some illumination to the sides (ditch) even when the high beams are on. All the better to see "critters". So I still do not get it.
Sigh!!
Bill M 98 TA
Posted by SS-KID (Member # 974) on :
Turn on highbeams in fog and blind yourself, not to bright!, fog lights are so that you can see in the fog without reflecting back in your eyes!
Why do people think it is cool to run fog lights all the time any way? Posted by Bill Mason (Member # 1807) on :
quote:Originally posted by SS-KID: Turn on highbeams in fog and blind yourself, not to bright!, fog lights are so that you can see in the fog without reflecting back in your eyes!
Why do people think it is cool to run fog lights all the time any way?
I understand what you are saying, wwhich is why I put the fog lights in quotations. Now substitute "driving lights" or "pencil beams" for fog lights and the law does not make sense. That was my point.
Also, fog lights, with their broad flat pattern are very good for lighting the side of the road closer in, so that aimed correctly there is still a benefit with them on with high beams.
PS: The best lighting system I ever had on a car was a set of Bosch H4 headlights, two fog lights that crossed in front (light the opposite side of the road) and Marchal 8 inch pencil beam. With it all on it was like day time. MAde driving in Northern Ontario a piece of cake.
Posted by HTWLSS (Member # 117) on :
quote: 811.515 When lights must be displayed; kind of light; number; direction; use on certain vehicles. This section establishes requirements for ORS 811.520. Except where an exemption under ORS 811.525 specifically provides otherwise, a vehicle that does not comply with this section is in violation of ORS 811.520. Where specific types of lighting equipment are mentioned in this section, those types are types described in ORS 816.040 to 816.290. The requirements under this section are as follows:
(1) Subject to any other provision of this section, any lighting equipment a vehicle is required to be equipped with under ORS 816.040 to 816.290 must be displayed when the vehicle is upon a highway within this state at any time limited visibility conditions exist. The provisions of this subsection apply during the times stated when the required visibility is measured on a straight, level unlighted highway.
(2) Parking lights and lights other than clearance, identification and marker lights that are mounted on the front of a vehicle and are designed to be displayed primarily when the vehicle is parked shall not be lighted when a vehicle is driven upon a highway at times when limited visibility conditions exist except when:
(a) The lights are being used as turn signals; or
(b) The headlights are also lighted at the same time.
(3) Any vehicle parked or stopped upon a roadway or shoulder adjacent thereto, whether attended or unattended, during times when limited visibility conditions exist must display parking lights.
(4) All vehicles not specifically required by ORS 816.320 to be equipped with lighting equipment shall at times when limited visibility conditions exist display exempt-vehicle safety lighting equipment. This section includes, but is not limited to, animal drawn vehicles and vehicles exempted from required lighting equipment under ORS 816.340.
(5) Tow vehicle warning lights on tow vehicles shall be activated when the tow vehicles are engaged in connecting with other vehicles and drawing such vehicles onto highways or while servicing disabled vehicles.
(6) When limited visibility conditions exist a person shall use a distribution of light or composite beam that is directed sufficiently high and that is of such intensity so as to reveal persons and vehicles on the highway at a safe distance in advance of the vehicle. A person violates this subsection if the person does not comply with the following:
(a) Whenever the driver of a vehicle approaches an oncoming vehicle within 500 feet, the driver must use a distribution of light or composite beam so aimed that the glaring rays are not projected into the eyes of the oncoming driver. The use of the low beams of the vehicle headlight system is in compliance with this paragraph at all times regardless of road contour and loading of the vehicle.
(b) Except when in the act of overtaking or passing, a driver of a vehicle following another vehicle within 350 feet to the rear must use the low beams of the vehicle headlight system.
(7) When a vehicle is upon a highway a person shall light not more than a total of four lights at any one time that are mounted on the front of a vehicle and that each projects a beam of intensity greater than 300 candlepower.
(8) A light, other than a headlight, that projects a beam of light of an intensity greater than 300 candlepower shall not be operated on a vehicle:
(a) Unless the beam is so directed that no part of the high intensity portion of the beam will strike the level of the roadway on which the vehicle stands at a distance of more than 75 feet from the vehicle; or
(b) When use of the low beams of the vehicle headlight system is required under subsection (6) of this section.
(9) A spotlight shall not be lighted upon approaching another vehicle unless the spotlight is so aimed and used so that no part of the high-intensity portion of the beam will be directed to the left of the prolongation of the extreme left side of the vehicle upon which it is mounted, more than 100 feet ahead of the vehicle.
(10) Auxiliary lights mounted higher than 54 inches shall not be lighted when the vehicle is used on a highway.
(11) A back-up light shall not be lighted when the vehicle is in forward motion.
Posted by 380SS (Member # 2078) on :
I hate it when people ride around with their fog lights on. Posted by Xsta Z 28 (Member # 740) on :
There is a MUCH easier way that is VERY quickly reversed - all you do is pull out the realy and install a jumper between two points, can't remember which two points though.
Posted by Bill Mason (Member # 1807) on :
So explain to me the logic or rationale for only having four lights lit at any one time when there are no other vehicles in your vicinity while on a highway. That is to say, when it is proper to be using high beams.
Saying it is the law is a "cop" out. I am looking for the logic behind the law. Or is this a candidate for the "Stupid law of the day".
I agree that when meeting a car or following another car, only the low beams should be used.
But when nobody is around why only four. The logic here escapes me.
Bill M 98 TA
Posted by Jim Mac (Member # 113) on :
quote:Originally posted by SS-KID: Turn on highbeams in fog and blind yourself, not to bright!, fog lights are so that you can see in the fog without reflecting back in your eyes!
Why do people think it is cool to run fog lights all the time any way?
I'll argue this point.
Yes, running with fog lights is considered "cool" by many people. But so is putting a big ass wing on the back of your vehicle. As is putting under-carriage lighting. As is putting those little blue lights on your hood. As is putting clear lenses in place of the amber lenses on your car. As is replacing your tail lights with "export" (i.e., European or Asian) tail lights. Shall I go on?
And there is an advantage to most fog lights over regular headlights: they illuminate more of the sides of the road. I've seen this on my old Nova: on several ski trips up through NY and VT, I was able to pick up deer on the side of the road that others in our group did not.
Posted by FireChicken (Member # 2067) on :
I usually drive with my fog lights on, but there is a reason behind it that is not coolness. I believe that driving with headlights on, even in the daytime, makes my car more visible to other drivers (since not everyone is used to seeing lights on during the day). As a result, i think it makes my car stand out more to other drivers and pedestrians, and they are more likely to see and avoid me. Ergo, slight lowering chance of a car accident. Concordantly, since I dont drive at night often, and almost never use my headlights, i have no desire to unnecessarily use my headlight motors and wear out the gears prematurely, so rather than turning on my headlights everytime I get behind the wheel, I simply turn on the foglights when I drive to the grocery store, to work, to school, etc.
JMHO.
Posted by 380SS (Member # 2078) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jim Mac:
quote:Originally posted by SS-KID: Turn on highbeams in fog and blind yourself, not to bright!, fog lights are so that you can see in the fog without reflecting back in your eyes!
Why do people think it is cool to run fog lights all the time any way?
I'll argue this point.
Yes, running with fog lights is considered "cool" by many people. But so is putting a big ass wing on the back of your vehicle. As is putting under-carriage lighting. As is putting those little blue lights on your hood. As is putting clear lenses in place of the amber lenses on your car. As is replacing your tail lights with "export" (i.e., European or Asian) tail lights. Shall I go on?
And there is an advantage to most fog lights over regular headlights: they illuminate more of the sides of the road. I've seen this on my old Nova: on several ski trips up through NY and VT, I was able to pick up deer on the side of the road that others in our group did not.
Big wings on the back of cars make them look like shopping carts and do not blind other drivers, lights under the car do not blind other drivers, I could go on too, running four lights does nothing but impair my vision and risk my safety while driving.
Posted by Bill Mason (Member # 1807) on :
If we are talking about fog lights and they are blinding other drivers coming at the car, then they are not adjusted properly. They are probabbly aimed too high. After all, a fog light pattern is wide and low to stay below a driver's line of sight. This is how they cut through fog....
If we are talking driving lights which have a narrower higher light pattern then they should NOT be on when approaching other cars (from behind or coming at you).
Posted by 380SS (Member # 2078) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bill Mason: If we are talking about fog lights and they are blinding other drivers coming at the car, then they are not adjusted properly. They are probabbly aimed too high. After all, a fog light pattern is wide and low to stay below a driver's line of sight. This is how they cut through fog....
If we are talking driving lights which have a narrower higher light pattern then they should NOT be on when approaching other cars (from behind or coming at you).
Combined they are still to bright
Posted by Hawkeye (Member # 88) on :
I'm with Bill on this one. It's not the brightness that's important - it's the aim (right DanA).
Properly aimed and used fog lights should not impair the vision of any on coming traffic. It may be cosmetic to some drivers, and usefull to others. Any mis aimed light is problem to on coming traffic.
side bar: I once had a Jeep CJ7 with KC Daylighters mounted on the front fenders. Very bright (high candle power). They were for off road use only. One night late on a 2 lane highway a approaching vehicle refused to dim his high beams after I flashed him my high beams. My wife said "hit the K.C's" - I did.
It was so bright to the approaching car that he acutally came to a dead stop on the road - probably had to close his eyes. I bet next time he dims his lights!
Posted by Jim Mac (Member # 113) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bill Mason: If we are talking about fog lights and they are blinding other drivers coming at the car, then they are not adjusted properly. They are probabbly aimed too high. After all, a fog light pattern is wide and low to stay below a driver's line of sight. This is how they cut through fog....
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