Not sure if this has been seen here before or not.
Posted by Orange 01 SS (Member # 1700) on :
More importantly, death of a couple of kids in the SS. That's too bad.
Posted by JohnS (Member # 1073) on :
I feel for the family having to deal with the loss. It could have been prevented.
Posted by Mike Bonte (Member # 1892) on :
tragic Posted by 01ss87iroc (Member # 1763) on :
What a targic loss... Posted by Brian's 01 SS (Member # 1499) on :
Those types of pictures are tough to look at. I can't imagen what the family is going through. I would think by posting those, they will slow somebody down and save a life. Thankyou.
Posted by mattp (Member # 2140) on :
that really is gut wrenching to view those. i cant imagine being inside of that car when that happened. its sad. not much older than myself, his girlfriend was younger Posted by HTWLSS (Member # 117) on :
Ugh. Posted by MM (Member # 1247) on :
I feel sorry but it sounds like they are trying to place blame on the car.... sorry but its the brain (or lack of) behind the wheel.... its called responsibility and it sounds like this kid didn't have any....I take offense that everyone in their mid 20's is reckless and shouldn't own a "fast car"....
Posted by 99PewterSS (Member # 564) on :
I feel for the family.
Hopefully. one day, most people will realize that you have to completely respect the power and speed of these cars.
I totally agree with MM, it's the brain that makes bad decisions, not the vehicle.
I was just about this kids age when I bought my first new Camaro -- a '94 Z/28. The only place I ever had it near triple digits was on the dragstrip.
Be safe out there, people ...
[ 13. November 2003, 11:27 PM: Message edited by: 99PewterSS ]
Posted by 97 SS LT1 (Member # 136) on :
My heartfelt condolences go out to both families. It's very tragic when you think two presious lives could of been spared only if the right decision was made. Please folks, we all have very, very fast vehicles, please use common sense when operating these machines. Life is to important to lose any lives foolishly.
[ 14. November 2003, 04:59 AM: Message edited by: 97 SS LT1 ]
Posted by 99 HOSS (Member # 109) on :
I personally think the subject should have been 'Death in a '01 SS.
While this is tragic, and yes my condolences go out to the family, many of our young people still think they are invincible behind the wheel.
quote:"...after drag racing another friend on a back road on curves at 136 mile an hour. Kory was known around town as one of the best drivers around..."
This statement found in the write-up is so contradictive, it's sad.
My son got into several accidents while growing up. Luckily he survived them all, and had me to deal with. Budget cuts in the schools, parental involvement, law enforcement visibility, outlets for the young folks to let loose at. You could pick any number of reasons why this happened, but the bottom line, it was poor judgement.
I don't mean to sound cold hearted, and I wasn't even going to post to this when I saw it last night, but after driving tow trucks in L.A. for 10 years, reading the papers out here about this type of tragidy almost once a month, I had to express my two cents into this. Parents shouldn't have to bury their children, for any reason.
Now as a certified Hi-Performance driving instructor, (and a father of two and grandfather of two) I am in a postion to maybe help make a difference. This sort of activity is like a martial art. It takes discipline.
[ 14. November 2003, 06:58 AM: Message edited by: 99 HOSS ]
Posted by 2002Z4CSS (Member # 1393) on :
That is just a shame that these kids did not know any better.I feel for the families.This is a perfect reason why my kids got a trip to the local dragstrip as soon as they got their drivers permit.I told them many times never to street race and take it to the track. I bet these kids parents had the chance to say the same thing. Posted by Harry P (Member # 533) on :
Very, very sad. I also take issue with the car being at fault. Funny, my SS is as very capable of driving below the speed limit as it is at any other velocity...
I personally feel a car like this can be an asset for inexperienced drivers, not because of HP/TQ, but because of the great handling and braking characteristics. I was 24 when I bought my first F-body... many times that car's suspension & brakes saved me at the last second because of distractions, deer, etc. It allowed me to safely respond to unexpected hazards, while a less performance oriented vehicle would not have avoided potential catastrophe.
It is not the car, it's the driver. Let's all remind ourselves that street racing is a bad idea, and impacts many more than those unfortunate occupants who do not survive, or survive with physical and mental disabilities for the remainder of their time here in this world.
Posted by 30thSSNerd (Member # 2155) on :
Fist of all my condolences to a tragic loss to both families of this accident. Seems these stories hit time and time again. We had one in our city this past May where a young fellow in his Firebird lost control on a street race with a Corvette. He died at the seen and later that week the fellow who owned the Corvette, everyone was looking for, killed himself. . We loose many young lives not just in street racing but in everyday accidents in autos and numerous personal injury as well. It's all very sad. Racing is serious business when it is done legally never mind illegally. There will always be young folk willing to step into these cars and race someone. Take it to the track folks, thats all we can say! Race smart and hopefully we all can save a few lives next year!
Posted by DanPazich (Member # 1352) on :
Really sorry to see this, especially since I am 22. Something very similar happened around here where I live. You really need to respect the power of our cars, unfortunately, I learned the hard way as well. They aren't toys! Posted by FireChicken (Member # 2067) on :
Well, for one, i see that the airbags didnt deploy, and he mentions that, but airbags in front of you are only meant to go off when you hit something head on, because the impede forward motion of your body. If your car slams sideways into a pole, your body will continue moving in the same direction the car was going (inertia), in which case the airbags arent going to do anything anyway, since there are no airbags between the seats and the doors. So his complaint about the airbags is perhaps not relevant.
Additionally, his son was going 136 mph when he lost control and hit the pole. That is the fault of the driver, not the car. You can be killed in a Honda Civic, a Camaro SS, or a Cadillac CTS just as easily, if you drive at insanely high speeds in uncontrolled environments. If you hit a pole, a tree, and a house at 136 mph, I doubt you would survive even if you were in an SUV or a truck.
Its a shame about his son, but there are no lessons here about what kind of car you drive, or parents forcing their kids to pick certain cars. There ARE lessons here about street-racing, speeding, personal responsibility, and consequences.
Posted by Jim Mac (Member # 113) on :
Man, 136 mph around curves......
Posted by SSHEETS (Member # 1989) on :
Tragic is right. Posted by MMMM_ERT (Member # 1599) on :
quote:Originally posted by FireChicken: Additionally, his son was going 136 mph when he lost control and hit the pole.
Are you kidding??? That is pure STUPIDITY...
Its very tragic...but to blame it on the car is idiotic...their son was completely to blame.
I've owned high-powered cars since I was 18 and I always respected them. Sure, we've all done stupid things in cars.... BUT 136 MPH on surface streets....pure STUPIDITY....
Posted by NATESS (Member # 982) on :
I don't think i have EVER seen a camaro so badly smashed up!!! only camaro enthusiasts could identify it as a camaro from the rear. what a shame.
Posted by Fbodfather (Member # 1119) on :
It is certainly a tragedy...no question about it.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the family.
Some of you have heard me say this...and I'll say it again....it is nearly impossible to engineer for poor judgement.
The forces generated at that speed are pretty hard to survive.....if at all.
As to the airbags......there's a reason they don't deploy...if they deployed (at lower speeds) they would have most likely done more damage to the driver and passenger than if they didn't deploy. I don't recall whether or not they mentioned seatbelts, but again, the velocity of the car hitting a solid object at those speeds leads me to suspect that unless a 5 point harness was involved...crash helmet, etc, no one would survive.
I'd also say that a powerful car does not mean an unsafer car......I daresay that had the young man been driving a smaller car at lesser speeds, I doubt he'd have survived...I guess we'll never know.
Friends...please....let this be a lesson!
Posted by MaryandRalph (Member # 244) on :
I feel for the family. I guess the only question left is: did the younger brothers learn anything from this?
Posted by 99 HOSS (Member # 109) on :
we can only hope so.
Posted by Bill Mason (Member # 1807) on :
quote: As to the airbags......there's a reason they don't deploy...if they deployed (at lower speeds) they would have most likely done more damage to the driver and passenger than if they didn't deploy. I don't recall whether or not they mentioned seatbelts, but again, the velocity of the car hitting a solid object at those speeds leads me to suspect that unless a 5 point harness was involved...crash helmet, etc, no one would survive.
When I first went to that site, looked at what had happened and the terrrble loss of life it really got to me. It really made me think. I really felt sad for both families. Such a painful loss.
A friend of mine sent a message to the mom using the link on the website. He just thanked her for having the courage to put this site up and hoped that it will prevent others from doing the same (or similar) things. Her response was quite touching. She noted that she had considered taking the site down due to some of the "less than kind" e-mails she has received.
Scott, given the forces in that impact I do not think that 5-point harnessess and helments would heve made a difference. I doubt that a roll cage would have helped either. The pole they hit went a long long ways into the passenger compartment.
The other thing with 5-point harnesses is that they must be installed properly too. I have seen a few installations where this has not been the case. In one instance the shoulder belts were annchored to the floor directly behind the front seat back. (this made the shoulder belts go STRAIGHT DOWN). The compressive loads on the spine would be enormous if they were ever used.
Posted by Jim Mac (Member # 113) on :
I've been thinking about this a lot since I initially posted, and the real tragedy is that this idiot risked, and ultimately took, someone else's life with his reckless driving.
quote:Our Son Kory age 24 Lost His Life Aug 5th 2003, and Also Killed His Girl friend Bobbi J. Armentrout, age 19 after drag racing another friend on a back road on curves at 136 mile an hour
Look at the road in these two pictures: it's a two lane rural road with no shoulder
How the hell could someone even consider racing on a road like this?
I feel for the families of both these casualties, but after viewing the website a second time, I have to say that the driver's family seems to be trying to shift blame from his stupidity. And make no mistake, what he did was absolutely idiotic.
Posted by Showgun (Member # 1930) on :
Very sad to here this hope both familys are going to be ok. Posted by Hawkeye (Member # 88) on :
what a shame - waste of 2 young lives - brought tears to my eyes. It should never happen again, but alas, it will.
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