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Originally posted by HTWLSS:
Look for RPO code WU8 on your driver's door sticker. That will clear up if it's an SS or not.

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Originally posted by ss4twobrats:

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Originally posted by HTWLSS:
Look for RPO code WU8 on your driver's door sticker. That will clear up if it's an SS or not.

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Okay...I went outside and checked the top sticker on the door with all the letters and numbers on it. I did not see a "WU8" on it. What should I do? It LOOKS like an SS, but is there a place that would let me "disassemble" the VIN number to see for sure?

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Originally posted by HTWLSS:
The VIN won't tell you whether it's an SS or not. The tag on the driver's side door is what will verify the SS option of WU8.

Can you take a pic of your door sticker and post it for us?

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Originally posted by ss4twobrats:
[QUOTE]I will tonight. How do you post a pic on here?

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Here's where I learned:
http://www.chirpthird.com/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=faq#ubbcode
and
http://www.chirpthird.com/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=ubb_code_page

Basically, you need to have the pic hosted on the web somewhere that allows hotlinking. Then you put [img] insert URL of pic here w/out spaces [/img] tags around the images URL and voila!

If nothing else, email me the pic and I'll see what I can do to help you out.
 

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Posted by ss4twobrats (Member # 2180) on :
 
Basically, you need to have the pic hosted on the web somewhere that allows hotlinking. Then you put [img] insert URL of pic here w/out spaces [/img] tags around the images URL and voila!

If nothing else, email me the pic and I'll see what I can do to help you out. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot! I'm really stressed now. I'm just thinking that the car dealership I bought it at pulled a fast one with me. I'll probably just e-mail it to you. We don't have a website yet.
 

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Posted by HTWLSS (Member # 117) on :
 
Email is fine. If the dealership pulled a number on you, I hope you have recourse (have some money coming back to you, or can get the SS you want). We'll help you out wherever we can.

For comparison, here's the driver's door sticker from our 1999 Navy Blue SS Convertible:



Here's one of the SLP stickers:



The Tire sticker:



and our Y2Y sticker showing optional SLP content:



[ 02. December 2003, 03:12 PM: Message edited by: HTWLSS ]
 

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Posted by Xsta Z 28 (Member # 740) on :
 
If WU8 is missing from the RPO listing then the car is NOT an SS. Also, if the SLP sticker in the drivers door jamb is missing, then it is not an SS.

Another check would be the GM tire loading decal. The 98 SS came with 17" wheels from GM with 275/40ZR17 tires. If the tire size is 16" then the car is a Z28

Both of the GM decals in the door jambs are VIN specific and are not replacable decals. They are tamper proof.

Y2Y in the RPO listing is for the additional content that SLP can provide. If there is additional content then there will be another SLP decal in the passenger side door jamb.

I think I have explained it correctly . . .

The GM VIN has absolutely nothing in it saying the car in an SS. An SS starts out at GM as a Z28 (thus Z28 is in the RPO tag) and then by code WU8 (and optionally Y2Y) it was sent to and converted by SLP to an SS. Look at your insurance card, I bet is says Z28 . . .

BTW the "SS" emblems are a GM Part Number ordered from GM not SLP.

[ 02. December 2003, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: Xsta Z 28 ]
 

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Posted by Hawkeye (Member # 88) on :
 
Some of the earlier SS's like mine - can have
extra SLP content without the Y2Y option.

I went into that in detail a few years back. But
I think in 1999 it should have WU8 and Y2Y or
else it's a clone not a real SS -
 

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Posted by JeffY (Member # 120) on :
 
If there is no extra Y2Y content there will be no SLP sticker-only the GM stickers;but WU8 should be on the GM option sticker. And there should be 3 SS emblems-one in back and the two fender ones.
 

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Posted by mhayman (Member # 146) on :
 
Sounds like it is a clone. Does anyone know for certain if twobrats has any recourse against the seller or is it caveat emptor?
 

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Posted by JeffY (Member # 120) on :
 
Probably depends on what's on the bill of sale, price paid, money lost or gained, etc.
 

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Posted by HTWLSS (Member # 117) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hawkeye:
Some of the earlier SS's like mine - can have
extra SLP content without the Y2Y option.

I went into that in detail a few years back. But
I think in 1999 it should have WU8 and Y2Y or
else it's a clone not a real SS -

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Originally posted by Hawkeye:
Some of the earlier SS's like mine - can have
extra SLP content without the Y2Y option.

I went into that in detail a few years back. But
I think in 1999 it should have WU8 and Y2Y or
else it's a clone not a real SS -

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Originally posted by Mike2001SS:

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Originally posted by Hawkeye:
Some of the earlier SS's like mine - can have
extra SLP content without the Y2Y option.

I went into that in detail a few years back. But
I think in 1999 it should have WU8 and Y2Y or
else it's a clone not a real SS -

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Hawkeye The WU8 was on a 98 SS I ordered one new in 98 White car white top and white leather convertible with all opts the only one built in all white loaded

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right you are - I have WU8 without the Y2Y, my car was made, shipped to a dealer, then returned to SLP for additional content. It has been verified by SLP, no Y2Y from GM but has SLP installed options. As Teri stated in 1999 SLP no longer allowed extra content after the original order was placed.

Just part of SLP growing into the SS program.
 

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Posted by ss4twobrats (Member # 2180) on :
 
Okay...here's the latest:

I went to the local dealership in our town and they ran the VIN through the computer. Not only is it a clone, it has had some fairly major work done to it (some work on the rear end, and some work on the driver's side, towing to name a few). At this point, I really don't know what sort of recourse we have against the dealership but we are definitely looking into it. They ADVERTISED an SS, but none of the paperwork says it is one.

If you would like to see a picture of the car, go to (I hope this works):

http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=148887275&dealer_id=595979&car_year=1999&make=CHEV&distance=200&max_price=12000&model=CAM&end_year=1999&advcd_on=n&min_price =11000&address=75785&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1999&color=&cardist=124

If anyone has any recommendations or advice, please let me know. I guess I need to get my money back for the Camaro SSOA since we DO NOT own one.

Sorry about the trouble y'all, but I'll at LEAST keep you posted.

Thanks a ton for y'alls info!
 

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Posted by JeffY (Member # 120) on :
 
Wrong wheels, wrong brakes-cars did not come with red calipers. No emblems is a dead giveawy. Can't see the back end but the spoiler appears to be wrong as well.(
 

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Posted by Mike Bonte (Member # 1892) on :
 
Wow. I don't know what to tell you as far as recourse against the dealer, but that car is missing two major things I can tell just from the picture:

It has the 16" Z28 wheels and it does not have the SS spoiler.

Sorry to hear about this. Shady dealers make me
 

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Posted by Harry P (Member # 533) on :
 
Looks like a Z with an aftermarket hood. Only mention of SS is in "Hurry SS..." in description. I suppose they could elude to it being a typo, or they were addressing only people with SS for initials!

Still, it was listed as a Z-28, and although all SS's are Z-28's, they are generally advertised as SS's if they are indeed WU8. Definitely sneaky, but for the price you paid, I think you got a pretty good deal on a good looking Z-28. (The stock Z/6 cyl. hood is the ugliest thing about the Camaro, IMO)If it bothers you, go after 'em. Good Luck.
 

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Posted by ss4twobrats (Member # 2180) on :
 
Oh, I agree that it's a great looking Z-28. But to me, to drive 3 hours for an "SS" just to get it home is too much hassle. I feel like such a buffoon not researching it further. I think that's what makes me most upset. If they would have said it was a Z-28 instead of an SS, I probably would have still bought it. But now I'm rather upset at their shady dealings.
 

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Posted by JeffY (Member # 120) on :
 
It doesn't have any of the SS upgrades, probably-no suspension, wheels, tires, exhaust, spoiler, emblems plus the hood is probably a cheap aftermarket knock-off. Also, as I said, check the brake calipers-they've been altered by somebody. Talk to the local BBB and see what track record the dealer has then call the local GM zone manager.
 

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Posted by 01ss87iroc (Member # 1763) on :
 
Sorry to hear about your troubles. You might have a possible Consumer Fraud Act claim, but as JeffY stated, a lot will depend on the documentats you received and whether they pitched the car to you as an SS. Trouble is, there are giveaways on the car that scream, not an SS, but a good lawyer will be able to help your cause...but will hurt your pocket. No dealer likes bad publicity. Good luck!
 

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Posted by Avengeance Z4C (Member # 2053) on :
 
Ouch! That sucks!

Better print that page soon before you rattle the dealers cage!
 

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Posted by KenC (Member # 189) on :
 
that really suks.........

post that dealers name.....please.
 

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Posted by Stealth Performance (Member # 1072) on :
 
Rent the Movie "Used Cars" w/ Kurt Russell

Then take the dealer for a little ride
 

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Posted by Doug 97SS #1499 (Member # 100) on :
 

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Originally posted by KenC:
that really suks.........

post that dealers name.....please.

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Originally posted by JeffY:
It doesn't have any of the SS upgrades, probably-no suspension, wheels, tires, exhaust, spoiler, emblems plus the hood is probably a cheap aftermarket knock-off. Also, as I said, check the brake calipers-they've been altered by somebody. Talk to the local BBB and see what track record the dealer has then call the local GM zone manager.

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Originally posted on AutoTrader:
HURRY SS , WONT LAST!!! LOW MILES!!! * Important!! Ask for ''Kevin Collesano''.Deal w/ the Manager direct when you arrive at the dealership , for your best deal, & to recieve $300.00 off phn: 281-536-3008 * This late model vehicle includes Power Steering, Power Brakes, Power Door Locks, Power Windows, Power Driver's Seat, AM/FM Stereo Radio, Chromed Factory Wheels, Trip Odometer, Tachometer, Air Conditioning, and Tilt Steering Wheel.

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Originally posted by SS_CarGuy:
... finish the car and make it into one that truly looks like an SS. ... Then have them install SS emblems on the fenders and rear fascia and you will have a clone that no one can tell is a clone.

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Originally posted by HTWLSS:

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Originally posted by SS_CarGuy:
... finish the car and make it into one that truly looks like an SS. ... Then have them install SS emblems on the fenders and rear fascia and you will have a clone that no one can tell is a clone.

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You forgot suspension and exhaust and that all important 98+ SS verifier, WU8. Without genuine parts from SLP, it's just a poser, especially if emblems are added. 99.9% of the population wouldn't know, but he would.

We have a real SS spoiler, hood and exhaust (among other parts) verified & installed by SLP on the '98 SLP Development Car. It isn't an SS verifiable w/WU8, so it does not have SS emblems on it, nor will we try to pass it off as such. It's a Z28 used by SLP to develop SS content, loaded up w/goodies. It's a "history" car and that makes it special. I'd never make it a poser by adding emblems when it doesn't deserve it.

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Originally posted by SS_CarGuy:
To each his own I guess. It already has an aftermarket exhaust and if the dealer would do all the other work they would have a very reasonably priced car IMHO. If not, like I said, get the dealer to take it back for misrepresenting it!

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It should only be advertised as a modified Z28 and not an SS. I'd be concerned about the body work and what's underneath.
 

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Posted by Fbodfather (Member # 1119) on :
 
Let me ask you a few questions.......

Does the car have any Z28 emblems on it?

What are similar SSs going for in South Texas?

In looking at the ad, it clearly states at the top that the vehicle is a Z28.......of course, it also says in the write/up descriptor "SS" -- but I only saw SS once in the whole ad.....

I would not rush to judgement on the dealership just yet. They may have made a mistake in putting SS in the body of the writeup/descriptor.....I mean, the only thing that makes that car look like an SS is the hood........wrong wheels, no emblems, wrong spoiler, wrong exhaust, wrong tires..........

Next question: How did the paperwork read...and what did the title say?


Now....if every paper you have received from the dealer has SS written all over it, you may have a case.....on the other hand, you probably should have looked closer at the car........

Solution? I would not go into the dealership with both guns blazing....rather, I'd ask them to please take the car back and find you a genuine SS.........

Just my 2cents..........

[ 03. December 2003, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: Fbodfather ]
 

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Posted by Kevin V 2002 SS (Member # 1025) on :
 
From a few salesmen I've seen, they wouldn't know the difference.
 

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Posted by WayneSS01 (Member # 734) on :
 
My dealer knew what an SS was. But when I mentioned SLP there was a glazed look in their eyes.

Bryan hope all works out for you.
 

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Posted by el ess1 (Member # 1544) on :
 
If you paid a premium for the car because "it was an SS", then I'd go back and try and work out something. A 99 Z28, 44K miles, average retail in that area shows in the kelly blue book retail as $13,105, and by only changing it to the SS package shows a $15,770 price ($11,385 for trade-in value for "good" with SS). I know the market may not be hot for Camaros right now, but it shows the SS package does call for a generally higher price. Depending on how much you actually paid, you probably came in well under either of those. The car's price in the ad seems consistent with Z28 pricing. See if they have any similar cars and check those prices to give you an idea.

I don't know about '99s, but my 2002 had Z28 on the window sticker, since it IS one, and the SS package is listed as an option. Not to get nit picky here, but the ad DOES mention "SS", and the fact is they did mention it in the ad for that car. Depending on the laws, that may be all it takes to constitute fraudulent advertising. From this thread, apparently the hood and rear SS emblem were on the car already, so they could've mistakenly thought it was an SS. And, apparently, you thought so as well. I agree with others, talk to them first and see what the story is and see what they intend to do to rectify the issue.

I can't speak for anyone but me, but I know when I first knew I wanted to get an SS over a Z28, I did some heavy-duty research, most of which I learned at the SLP website. Sure, I knew way more than my dealership did about SS's, because I only spent time on one model because I was going to have a vested interest in getting what I wanted. Big difference in knowledge required to sell them vs. buying them. Dealers didn't sell a ton of the Camaros anyway, so there were few salespeople that knew enough about the cars, let alone SLP (I mentioned SLP to my salesman and got the "deer-in-the-headlights-look). And without the Fbodfather's help, they would have screwed up my options.

Please don't take this as condescending, because it's not intended to be, but when you go to buy a car that normally commands a little higher price, it pays to do the research to know exactly how to authenticate the car. If it has a shady history, or there's no definitive proof the car is what it is said to be, be wary.

And even if you keep the car, you can't go wrong. It's a CAMARO!!

[ 04. December 2003, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: el ess1 ]
 

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Posted by westell (Member # 2034) on :
 
I know the GM of Munday personally. Munday sponsors my nephew in racing, www.wildwestracing.com

They gave me a complete new engine at 35,805 miles.

Alfred Flores is the GM there and I don't think he would approve or condone selling a Z as an SS if that is what happened.

If you would like an introduction, please let me know.

Munday has a good reputation for their service, but sales is sales.
 

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Posted by twobrats (Member # 2180) on :
 
Okay…I know I’ve been gone a whole day, but here’s what I’ve found out…

First of all, let me thank y’all for all the input and opinions. This all began on the Friday before Thanksgiving and a week later we had signed the papers. We had a lot of time to think it over, and I thought I had researched it enough, but then Tuesday our eyes were opened…

Also, I know that we were naïve in our assumptions that it was an SS. We were looking at this vehicle and a 2000 Z28 in Oklahoma City. We decided to go south to Houston MAINLY because the ad said “SS”.

Third, this is our plan…I have been attempting to contact the General Sales Manager (the big dog) at the dealership to give them a chance to explain the ad and why it says what it does, and why the salesman said, (and I quote) “This is a very difficult vehicle to find!” I am going to request one of three things (yes, I‘m going to be nice)…

1. Take this car back and find a GENUINE SS for me (which won‘t happen);
2. Give me the difference in what I paid for my “SS” and a Z28 (which PROBABLY won‘t happen);
3. We keep the car and I call the Better Business Bureau, Texas Automobile Dealers Association, Attorney General, my lawyer, etc. Just to see if I have any more recourse.

I’ll let y’all know what happens if I ever get to speak with a warm body on the phone…

I want you all to understand that we LOVE the car. It has an LS1 (that’s on the door RPO sticker, so it DID come stock, LOL), it sounds great, and it’s fun to drive! The only reason I’m upset is because we were under the impression that it was an SS (kinda our fault, but a lot of the dealer‘s). I know there are people out there like y’all that make up the 00.1% of the population that know the difference in Z28 and SS. I don’t want to be a “cloner”. I want the genuine thing! So, that being said, if we do wind up with the car, I figure I have a great looking Z28. I’m going to take the “SS” emblem (which is what started this thread isn’t it?) off and put “Z28” emblems on it. I look at it this way: you can make minor adjustments to regular Camaros and Z28s, and get away with it. But WHY would you want to mess with a stock SS? I know the pride you all have in your SS's. I don’t want to blemish the SS logo with a clone, that’s why I was so concerned about all of this.

SOMEDAY I WILL OWN AN 4th GENERATION SS! They are GREAT looking vehicles…straight off the floor! But, for now, if we wind up keeping this one, I’ll return it to a Z28 and be extremely happy. Would it upset y’all if I kept the hood? I love the look it gives it!

Again, thanks for the advice/input/opinions. Without y’all, I’d be driving around in a fog about my “SS”. You all are great for not knowing me and still helping. (Although I’m jealous every time I see a true SS!…lol)

I’ll keep you posted!
 

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Posted by twobrats (Member # 2180) on :
 

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Originally posted by Doug 97SS #1499:

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Originally posted by KenC:
that really suks.........

post that dealers name.....please.

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Munday Chevrolet
Houston, TX 77090

Kevin Collesano
Toll Free
1-888-268-3895


Thanks for posting that for me...I've been chasing teh General Sales Manager for the past two days!

website:
www.mundaychevy.com

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Posted by Stealth Performance (Member # 1072) on :
 
mass email
 

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Posted by Fbodfather (Member # 1119) on :
 
well, the other thing to keep in mind...are you going to drive this car every day for any distance? The Z28 suspension is more compliant than the SS....will still outhandle just about anything on the road...but it is somewhat more comfortable in terms of ride...and as you said, it has the LS1.....

(and you didn't hear it from me....but ask around about 'real' horsepower.....)
 

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Posted by Hawkeye (Member # 88) on :
 
If you end up keeping the car, and you want to
keep the hood on, by all means leave it on. It's
YOUR car. As long as you don't try to pass it off
as an SS, then no problems from here!

I've seen several Yenko clones, that cleary state
they are clones and I bet are still fun to drive!

Please keep us posted.
 

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Posted by SS 891 (Member # 1968) on :
 
My title says Z28, but i have a verified SS (door sticker and vin verified)... Maybe an Indiana thing?

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Originally posted by Fbodfather:

Next question: How did the paperwork read...and what did the title say?

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Originally posted by twobrats:


1. Take this car back and find a GENUINE SS for me (which won‘t happen);
2. Give me the difference in what I paid for my “SS” and a Z28 (which PROBABLY won‘t happen);
3. We keep the car and I call the Better Business Bureau, Texas Automobile Dealers Association, Attorney General, my lawyer, etc. Just to see if I have any more recourse.


SOMEDAY I WILL OWN AN 4th GENERATION SS! They are GREAT looking vehicles…straight off the floor! But, for now, if we wind up keeping this one, I’ll return it to a Z28 and be extremely happy. Would it upset y’all if I kept the hood? I love the look it gives it!

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Originally posted by Fbodfather:
well, the other thing to keep in mind...are you going to drive this car every day for any distance? The Z28 suspension is more compliant than the SS....will still outhandle just about anything on the road...but it is somewhat more comfortable in terms of ride...

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If you're talking about standard SS and standard Z28 suspension, I totally agree. And either car handles superbly. But if you have the SLP Bilstein optional suspension, I'll take the SS ride over the standard Z28 any day. Same set of tracks in the Z is bumpier than the Bilstein SS at the same speed, angle, etc. I know, I've done it, and my butt can tell the difference. I really love the Bilstein setup (just as others said I would) for street driving. A softer ride, better stance (the rear IS lowered a bit) and still ramps up for moderate cornering. If I were a serious auto-x'er, though, I'd have done the 1LE. The beauty of it is that you could do the same to your Z and have a upscale-handling, yet still powerful machine.

And the HP is extremely close between an SS and Z to start (same engine). You put a free-flow exhaust and lid on the Z and you're in SS territory in that area instantly.

But I agree with others, if you're bent on an SS, don't settle if it's not exactly what you want. It's hard to part with any Camaro, but if you really wanted the WU8 on the door sticker, then go back and talk with the dealer. It's your car, your money, your peace of mind.
 

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Posted by twobrats (Member # 2180) on :
 
I've still not talked to anyone on the pohone. I guess the General Sales Manager was out today. Chris DID get me a name that I could try faxing on Monday. So, we'll see where that goes. I'm going to push for a GENUINE SS, but we'll see where it goes. Thanks y'all!
 

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Posted by twobrats (Member # 2180) on :
 
Just had a great thought if they DID actually replace it with an SS...Personal plate - RPO WU8


Silly, I know...

Talk to y'all soon!
 

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Posted by SSHEETS (Member # 1989) on :
 
Stay the course. If there's one thing I've learned it is this: I'd rather not have the car of my dreams than to "almost" have the car of my dreams. The fact that I was mislead and fell for the mis-stated facts and the fact that everytime I turn the key I'm starting my Z/28 and not my SS would haunt me until I finally sold the car. Which would be probably be at a financial loss.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Z/28s, I love them, but I wanted an SS and that's what I ordered. (with the more suptle Bilstein suspension too )
 

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Posted by twobrats (Member # 2180) on :
 
It's already haunting me. Monday we drove it and were SO EXCITED. Tuesday we did not drive it cause we didn't want the "cool" wearing off. Wednesday, we were like, "what car do you want to take?" Didn't matter. Z/28 just didn't feel as good as SS. So I do understand where you're coming from.

I'm working on a fax...Nicely worded, not rude. We'll see what happens Monday.
 

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Posted by SSHEETS (Member # 1989) on :
 

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Originally posted by twobrats:
It's already haunting me. Monday we drove it and were SO EXCITED. Tuesday we did not drive it cause we didn't want the "cool" wearing off. Wednesday, we were like, "what car do you want to take?" Didn't matter. Z/28 just didn't feel as good as SS. So I do understand where you're coming from.

I'm working on a fax...Nicely worded, not rude. We'll see what happens Monday.

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Good luck.

I had a 69 vette that was everything I wanted except for the Turbo400 instead of the 4 speed. I loved the car, but it wasn't quite what I wanted. If it had the 4 speed I'd still have the car today.

Same goes for the 9 Z/28 we had... A4 car. not sure if I'd still have it, but the A4 always bothered me. It was a great car, but just that one thing that nagged at me. Then I saw the SS come back in 96. It took me awhile, but now I have my 02 SS with the 6 speed. I never 2nd guess myself when I'm behind the wheel now.
 

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Posted by KevinA (Member # 139) on :
 
I would make sure the work was done correctly on it too.
 

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Posted by Avengeance Z4C (Member # 2053) on :
 

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Originally posted by SS 891:
My title says Z28, but i have a verified SS (door sticker and vin verified)... Maybe an Indiana thing?

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Originally posted by Avengeance Z4C:

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Originally posted by SS 891:
My title says Z28, but i have a verified SS (door sticker and vin verified)... Maybe an Indiana thing?

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Both my title and insurance states "Z-28". Not SS, and Im in Cali.

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Originally posted by SSHEETS:
Stay the course. If there's one thing I've learned it is this: I'd rather not have the car of my dreams than to "almost" have the car of my dreams. The fact that I was mislead and fell for the mis-stated facts and the fact that everytime I turn the key I'm starting my Z/28 and not my SS would haunt me until I finally sold the car. Which would be probably be at a financial loss.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Z/28s, I love them, but I wanted an SS and that's what I ordered. (with the more suptle Bilstein suspension too )

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Tim u know a SS is a Z28 w/ a hood on her


[ 06. December 2003, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: Stealth Performance ]
 

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Posted by WayneSS01 (Member # 734) on :
 

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Originally posted by twobrats:
Just had a great thought if they DID actually replace it with an SS...Personal plate - RPO WU8


Silly, I know...

Talk to y'all soon!

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Do it!
 

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