I don't post here much at all. but I know you people can help me out. 1) I want to buy a programmer but not sure what to buy (LS1edit/HPP3) or where to buy them. 2)Where to buy the 'SS' decals(for my brakes)? TIA to you who can give me some help Posted by JohnS (Member # 1073) on :
I've looked into a number of programmers. Most have the same functionality and advertise about the same gains. I just ordered the Hypertech Programmer for my SS.
Posted by Happy_Dan (Member # 118) on :
You can do much more with LS1Edit but it takes some learning. If you just want to do things like change your fan temps the HPP3 is good enough. If you want to change air/fuel mixtures, timing etc. then LS1Edit will allow you to change more things.
Posted by agmSS (Member # 853) on :
Have to agree with Dan.
The HPP3 is more like a "me too" program while you can do much more customizing with the LS1edit.
The HPP3 offers more flexibility if you own an A4 car, but where you have the M6, there's less that you can do. I had the HPP3 installed in my '99 A4 Z28 and I found that it worked well for me on this car. I had modded the car out with all the free mods, a low temp t-stat, Whisper Lid, K&N, Borla cat-back, custom y-pipe, and I made a gear swap to upgrade from my stock 2.73 ratio to 3.42's. The HPP3 allowed me to recalibrate the speedo, shift points, and shift firmness and it did a great job. For every day driving you couldn't tell the difference between modded and stock until you got on it.
I would say it depends on how serious you want to get with your mods. For just minor bolt ons, the HPP3 will work pretty well. I've never used LS1edit myself so I'm not familiar with how user friendly it is, or if it has an undo feature if you mess up. I would imagine that you could mess up your car's driveability and performance pretty good if you don't take the time to learn and understand what you're doing. The HPP3 is more of a install-and-forget-it product with the drawback being that it's not as flexible in getting the most out of your particular setup. It's a little pricey, you'll have to buy the high octane fuel because the engine tuning will advance your timing, and I've seen and personally experienced inconsistent results with other F-bodies I've installed it in.
If you have the skill, LS1edit will allow you to do more and keep pace with any future mods.
Just my experience FWIW.
Good luck. We're always happy to help if we can. Andy
Posted by blkragss02 (Member # 1801) on :
I have an A4 and a HPP3 and I like it. I have changed the fan settings, shift points and other various little things. Check Ebay or some of the forums, you can get one for about $200```I did!
[ 03. April 2004, 06:07 AM: Message edited by: blkragss02 ]
Posted by Mike2001SS (Member # 2088) on :
If you want the car to run its best spend the money to take it to a good dyno tune shop that will get the best out of what set-up you have. You can gain maybe 15 HP on a stock motor this way and some even more
Posted by Elie Garfinkel (Member # 1635) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike2001SS: If you want the car to run its best spend the money to take it to a good dyno tune shop that will get the best out of what set-up you have. You can gain maybe 15 HP on a stock motor this way and some even more
Now that's something I can definitely attest to! ...and they will be able to make any other changes you might want as well (i.e. fan speeds, rev limiter, shift points allow for gear changes etc.) The tuners have come a long way in the last couple of years as well (and they share tuning secrets as well!). When I had my heads and cam done at ARE 2 yrs. ago, the car pulled 367 RWHP. I brought it into them a couple of weeks ago and they squeezed 395.5 RWHP out it (only change was a new set of plugs). LS1 Edit is not a simple program from what I can see and I sure wouldn't want to experiment on MY motor - at least not without being able to get the necessary readings required to tune it properly and safely.
Best regardSS,
Elie
Posted by CK-1 99SS (Member # 93) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elie Garfinkel: When I had my heads and cam done at ARE 2 yrs. ago, the car pulled 367 RWHP. I brought it into them a couple of weeks ago and they squeezed 395.5 RWHP out it (only change was a new set of plugs). [/QB]
Wow Elie. I bet that is a noticable seat of the pants gain.. Posted by Happy_Dan (Member # 118) on :
Agreed onm the dyno tune. Our 02 sensors are not accurate enough to get good reading from for tuning. I will get my tune relatively close to what I want using LS1Edit and Autotap. Then I will got to a dyno with a wideband 02 and try to fine tune it with the help of some knowledgable friends. I am having fun with LS1Edit jsut doing the simple things like defeating CAGS, fan temps, rev limiter and some WOT fuel settings.
Posted by LT14SHOW (Member # 2187) on :
In a way I like the Hypertech because it was pretty straight forward to use. It corrected my speedo after the 3.73 gear install. I also changed my thermo(160) and shift firmness. I didn`t notice a big change in shift firmness.
Posted by Elie Garfinkel (Member # 1635) on :
quote:Originally posted by CK-1 99SS:
quote:Originally posted by Elie Garfinkel: When I had my heads and cam done at ARE 2 yrs. ago, the car pulled 367 RWHP. I brought it into them a couple of weeks ago and they squeezed 395.5 RWHP out it (only change was a new set of plugs).
Wow Elie. I bet that is a noticable seat of the pants gain.. [/QB]
Hi Curtis, Yeah, it was even the same person who did the tuning both times. It's astounding how much progress the guys have made in their ability to tune these engines in the last couple of years ...and boy, is it ever a noticeable SOTP difference! It's like a whole new car that I have to learn to drive all over again. On the way home from the shop I broke the back end loose on a 3-4 shift! Never had that happen before! Maybe I'll change my ID to "Chirpfourth"
Best regardSS,
Elie
Posted by JohnS (Member # 1073) on :
quote:Originally posted by Happy_Dan: You can do much more with LS1Edit but it takes some learning
quote:Originally posted by Mike2001SS: If you want the car to run its best spend the money to take it to a good dyno tune shop
quote:Originally posted by LT14SHOW: I like the Hypertech because it was pretty straight forward to use
I agree with everyone. The programmers are primarily for the hobbyist (like another bolt-on mod), and your skill level and knowledge (understanding engine characteristics) will determine which programmmer to buy. I chose the Hypertech because it's simple to use and the risk of screwing up something on my car is small. Like Elie attested to, if you're serious getting all you can in performance gains, you should go to a professional performance shop.
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