Maybe you know about this, but I was a bit surprised when I read that the GTO has a gas guzzler tax of $1000 when you buy it.
So here are some facts that I dug up. The GTO weighs 3725 pounds compared to the Camaro's 3436 pounds (coupe). The EPA raitng on the GTO is 16 City and 21 Highway. The Camaro is 18 City and 27 Highway. The rear end ratio of the 6 speed GTO is 3:46 to 1. I believe most 4th gen 6 speeds are 3:23 to 1. But the Camaro seems to be the better performer in the quarter by almost all accounts given in the media.
I always thought GM had a corporate policy against producing cars subject to a gas guzzler tax.........I guess not in the case of the GTO.
Posted by blkragss02 (Member # 1801) on :
Pretty interesting, the Cobra Rustang also has one
Posted by chrisL (Member # 97) on :
The gas guzzler tax is only levied against the A4 GTO, not the M6.
Brian Reese, the SLP Perf Parts Chief Engineer, ran a 13.14 @ 106.97 in a bone stock M6. He said that car tipped the scales at 3870lbs with driver. Nothing was removed from the car for weight loss. The car had between a 1/2 and 1/4 tank of gas.
Same day, Steve Baur from GMHTP ran a 13.11 in that car.
There is significant wheel hop due to the IRS. Brian said running DRs did not help at all. Aftermarket is going to have to address that.
[ 22. May 2004, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: chrisL ]
Posted by sscamaro (Member # 1330) on :
4th Gen f-bodies with M6 have a 3.42 rear.
Posted by MMMM_ERT (Member # 1599) on :
...and then theres the "looks" comparo...
Camaro = sharp, striking GTO = yawn
But hey, thats just me.
Posted by Mike2001SS (Member # 2088) on :
quote:Originally posted by MMMM_ERT: ...and then theres the "looks" comparo...
Camaro = sharp, striking GTO = yawn
But hey, thats just me.
I'm with you Pete Posted by Elie Garfinkel (Member # 1635) on :
quote:Originally posted by chrisL: Brian Reese, the SLP Perf Parts Chief Engineer, ran a 13.14 @ 106.97 in a bone stock M6. He said that car tipped the scales at 3870lbs with driver. Nothing was removed from the car for weight loss. The car had between a 1/2 and 1/4 tank of gas.
Same day, Steve Baur from GMHTP ran a 13.11 in that car.
Was this a car provided by GM, by any chance? If it was it might have been a "ringer"! It wouldn't be the 1st time that a manufacturer has provided the press with one of these! Anybody remember the infamous "GTO vs. GTO" article in the March '64 Car & Driver pitting the (then new) '64 Tempest "GTO" against a Ferrari GTO? Jim Wangers sent a couple of "ringer" GTO's that had been "massaged" by Royal Pontiac to C&D for that that test. The background and real story behind that article makes for some very entertaining reading! The original article is reprinted as well on this website: http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-articles.shtml I know I have that magazine buried in one of my boxes somewhere in the house!
Best regardSS,
Elie
[ 22. May 2004, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: Elie Garfinkel ]
Posted by chrisL (Member # 97) on :
no, it was purchased by SLP from a local Pontiac dealer. Brian was getting some baseline runs in before he started tinkering.
Brian is a good driver, so his times would be lower than you would see on an average day at the track. Same for the GMHTP driver too.
Posted by SteelHorse (Member # 1725) on :
Next time I break out the race scales I'm going to weight the SS. I bet it will be a heck of a lot higher than 3436 pounds. Thats a BS # I'll bet on a fully optioned 2002 SS.
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