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Originally posted by BadWS6:
Is Don Goetz the co name ? I have been looking for a set of bolt on SFCs for awhile

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Email me and I'll send his info.
 

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Posted by 35thSS (Member # 1345) on :
 
I would also be very interested in pics, price, and quality

[ 23. February 2003, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: 35thSS ]
 

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Posted by BadWS6 (Member # 1799) on :
 
DaddySS you have mail
 

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Posted by RagSS (Member # 1127) on :
 
...You have mail , ...I should have checked here before going to the 'porch'
 

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Posted by DaddySS (Member # 848) on :
 
Here's a link to pics posted by pharmpod

http://www.slpeng.com/common/docview.asp?url=http://www.hoodscoop.com/forums/index.php

The units are approximately 250 and although this was an early run, the quality is good. I gave my feed back to Don on instructions, ideas to make install easier, etc.
 

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Posted by BadWS6 (Member # 1799) on :
 
followed the link where are the pics on the SLP board?
 

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Posted by pharmpod (Member # 1292) on :
 
Here are the pictures I took.

Bottom view


Rear mount view


Front mount view


Benny
 

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Posted by Hookerf14 (Member # 1602) on :
 
Another very excited vert owner. Want the mod with the flexibility to change back to stock.
 

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Posted by DaddySS (Member # 848) on :
 
Took her out for the drive to work today and I am very pleased! The car is definitely stiffer, not as much windshield shake over bumps and seems to ride smoother. Like Don said, the suspension seems to absorb more of the bumps than the body and it just plain feels better knowing I have done something to strengthen the chassis and add to the longevity of the car.

I'm giving them the thumbs up for anyone looking for bolt ons.

[ 25. February 2003, 08:24 PM: Message edited by: DaddySS ]
 

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Posted by RagSS (Member # 1127) on :
 
Rich, ...Thanks for the feedback.
...Glad to hear you give it thumbs up, ...especially since I already contacted Don and I'm in on the next run
 

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Posted by Brian's 01 SS (Member # 1499) on :
 
I still believe the weldons for out verts are what all vert owners should go with. But, I do think this gives you a nice do-it-yourself addition.
 

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Posted by DaddySS (Member # 848) on :
 

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Originally posted by Brian's 01 SS:
I still believe the weldons for out verts are what all vert owners should go with. But, I do think this gives you a nice do-it-yourself addition.

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Originally posted by Robbie 2002 #9131:
I have the prototype set from Don. He used my car for the template. They work very good and are easy to install.

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SLP will now begin prototyping bolt-on SFC's for convertibles.

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...It would be nice to see them work 'with' you, ...but I think that's wishfull thinking...
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
Kevin I beleive you're correct
Hey I'm just a guy that saw something that the big boys didn't think was a viable product.
I think after beating them over the head with it they finally had to react.
I do not profess to be a genius but I'am a salesman who can recognize a market.
My leanings are to the on going success of SLP and I would love to work with them on this and other projects.
I'm sure they are aware of who is making them and how to contact me.My gut feeling is that they would like me
to go away and view me as just a guy tinkering with a few pieces of steel.
I must say the reaction and simple market survey that was provided to SLP should prove to be profitable for both of us.
The F-Body is not the only car I'm working on but we've given SLP enough to think about.
I truely hope they can bring a product to market for this up coming convertible season.
My design is the foundation that can be improved upon.The basic structure is already there and modications will be simple to make.
 

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Posted by Steve da Wrench (Member # 1301) on :
 
Hey, we have all been BEGGING SLP for over 4 years to make bolt on convert SFC's, and their response was "there is no market", even though we ran many poles to find out how many out there needed them. I would have much rather bought them from SLP, since they are more like "factory" since they would be from SLP. Now that somebody else finally steps up, they are going to try and steal the thunder? No flaming, just my observation. I modified a set of KBDD's to bolt in, just so I didnt have to weld on the car. Good luck in your quest!
 

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Posted by Zrag (Member # 1775) on :
 
I'm also interested. No biggy for welding or bolt on but from what I've seen on SLP the SFCs are non verts. So who sells them? I'll be looking into them later next month.
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve da Wrench:
[QB] Hey, we have all been BEGGING SLP for over 4 years to make bolt on convert SFC's, and their response was "there is no market", even though we ran many poles to find out how many out there needed them. Now that somebody else finally steps up, they are going to try and steal the thunder? Good luck in your quest!

That's what I heard time and time again so I decided to see if there really was a market.
If you wait for someone else to do something for you will more than likely be dead before it happens.
I have tried several time this week to contact SLP to discuss this matter now I truely know what convertible owners have been dealing with all these years.
Let's help SLP once again, and believe me I don't know why I bother.
Take convertible production of Z28's and SS's divide in half these are your cutomers and they are the market. I figure half of the production will not modified their cars.
Sorry Firebird owners didn't mean to leave you out but that will drive the number higher. Now take that number and half it again.
That is the Bolt-on market,very crude. With good salepeople I believe it is possible to sell to 20% of the ones that would not normally modify their cars.
Those who listen to their customers will be successful.Those who react only to their competion's offering are commonly refered to as followers. I know of no one that owns an F-Body that is content being a follower.

[ 28. February 2003, 12:11 PM: Message edited by: DGOETZ ]
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
I have more to say.
SLP chose not to listen but that's all I did before formulating a design.
Even during prototyping we changed the design ideas to improve these.
Those who have their sets reserved will soon be tranforming their ragtops into better cars without the help of those who chose not to listen.
 

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Posted by pharmpod (Member # 1292) on :
 
I posted this over at the SLP board:

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There was a thread a while back in the "Questions? Comments? Talk to the VP of SLP Perf. Parts area where someone asked SLP_EXEC to consider making these items. The basic idea was that if the SFCs were produced, that he would buy them. A number of members jumped in and echoed similarly. I was also one of these members to ask and pledge my support. I also petitioned other companies, one of them being Edelbrock (I have their STB), to consider making this item. Edelbrock's reply was to pass it to R&D. But, the overall consensus of all these companies was that the market was too small to warrant production. So, here we have it, that a private individual takes it upon himself to fill this small market void. And he creates quite a stirring. He sells out his first run. He has sold or is close to selling out his second run. And he has peeked the interest of our gracious host and its members. I do hope that SLP does market a product. That may peak the interest of other companies. And that is good. Competition makes for a better product, creates awareness through advertising and word of mouth, and touches a broader market. This makes for a lot of happy customers. The down side is that the longer this product takes to reach the market , the smaller that that small market becomes. Whatever happens, Don has created an awareness for us convertible owners, and made our vote count. Thank you Don.

Benny

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
Benny
Surely you must be sick of me thanking you by now.
Well here goes again.
If I would have known the clearance picture of my coupe SFC's was going to end up on the SLP board I would have move that bucket.
It really highlights how low the SLP Y-Pipe hangs down.
As many posts as you've made you could have had those things installed by now.

Step away from the computer and head to the garage.
Boy this past week was fun.

3 sets of Vert bolt-ons remain in this batch

[ 02. March 2003, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: DGOETZ ]
 

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Posted by pharmpod (Member # 1292) on :
 
You mean this picture


I have the stock pipe with stock suspension and I scraped it pulling out of a friend's (nose pointed down) driveway. Based on that original design, SLP could only do so much with that "Y" pipe. At least, they gave us a product. Fair is fair. I am sure there are other brands that have similar clearance problems.

I am almost there. I picked up the blue thread lock. I also got some gun blue to tint the washers black. I just need a decent day off. Weather and work are against me.

Benny

[ 03. March 2003, 08:59 AM: Message edited by: pharmpod ]
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
Yeah that's the picture.
Although the Prototypes shown in the picture are now a slightly lighter and have powdercoated finish with metallic.
I need to reinstall them but I'm using "The Unit"
to check the fit of my coupe SFC inventory.
 

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Posted by SSteve_35th (Member # 1300) on :
 

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You can e-mail me for details.

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You can e-mail me for details.

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That's easier said than done when you don't post your e-mail address or allow it to be accessed on this message board. How can I reach you to get more info on your SFCs for convertibles?

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dgoetz3@cinci.rr.com
Sorry new to this board

[ 16. August 2003, 11:36 PM: Message edited by: DGOETZ ]
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
Anyone else?
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
There is one set remaining.
Production continues
 

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Posted by TA25th (Member # 1567) on :
 
Don,

I just sent you an email to see if you still have that set of the bolt ons available. Will they fit my 94 TA vert? You can email me back at cruiserfj80@yahoo.com

Thanks,
Shawn

[ 01. April 2003, 04:45 AM: Message edited by: TA25th ]
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
Shawn
I made one set that is actually done and sold in white.
These things look like they should be in a clean room
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
Due to reasons unknown to me several who have reserved sets have decided not to take them.
This has left me with 3 Bright Rally Red and 5 black sets.
Contact me if you are interested.
 

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Posted by HR Y2KSS (Member # 598) on :
 
You have mail!!
 

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Posted by jsd (Member # 1925) on :
 
This may be to late, but are these still available?
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
Still 3 left out of the current run.
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
Only 2 Black sets remain I'll make more when these are sold.

[ 31. May 2003, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: DGOETZ ]
 

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Posted by redz28conv (Member # 1937) on :
 
I would like a set in red when you make a new batch.Please e-mail.Thanks.
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
They are boxed and ready to ship.
Thanks
Don
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
I would love to sell the ones I have in stock rather than my car
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
Well as you know Santa's biggest helper, UPS, can get a set of these under your tree in time for Christmas.
Let Me know via email if you're interested,

Thanks
Don

[ 27. November 2003, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: DGOETZ ]
 

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Posted by Dave99SSC221 (Member # 224) on :
 
I got mine in 2 days and as you can see in my signature I'm up in Canada. My garage isn't heated and because winter is here now my SS won't see the outside for about another 4 months. There will be some days when the outside warms up enough to make the garage comfortible to work in. I have an old snowmobile suit that helps when I'm laying on the floor. I like the way Don signs the connectors, it's a good touch, too bad one has to be under the car to see it, but it adds a little touch of class to our cars. The next 4 to 5 months will seem to go slow now so I can get out to try the car with the connectors. Maybe I've been lucky, but mine has never had a rattle, squeek, or groan and does have 26,000 kms. on her, so the connectors will help keep her that way. Thanks again Don.
 

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Posted by cytruffle (Member # 1733) on :
 

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Originally posted by Dave99SSC221:
I like the way Don signs the connectors, it's a good touch, too bad one has to be under the car to see it, but it adds a little touch of class to our cars.

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He signed my STB, but not the SFC's.....hey, Don!!
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
OK So those who have 'em and would like me to sign them come on over I'm off tomorrow.

Seriously I'm would be happy to sign them when next we meet.

[ 02. December 2003, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: DGOETZ ]
 

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Posted by Mike2001SS (Member # 2088) on :
 
Mine came from Don yesterday and will be putting them on tomorrow
 

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Posted by Mike2001SS (Member # 2088) on :
 
Well I got mine put on this afternoon and although my car has been tight always I sure could tell the difference in the 2 mile drive home From Wesleys house where we put them on. They look great and the fit was perfect everything bolted right up and all the bolts went right in without having to slot anything. The weather is nice here so I am going into town in awhile to drive it some.

[ 27. December 2003, 08:18 PM: Message edited by: Mike2001SS ]
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
I love happy customers.
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 
I have more avalable in both Coupe and Convertible versions in Black or Red
 

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Posted by Dave99SSC221 (Member # 224) on :
 
Don, I got my SS convertible out from storage for the winter and was able to try out the SFC's. When I backed out of the drive and onto the road I heard a click sound from the passenger side. I drove it for a bit and heard the same sound a few times over a few bumps. I returned home and tightened up the bolt that goes through the lower control arm and no more clicking. The car feels tighter around corners. I've always loved to shut off the traction control on dry pavement and just give her a little shot on the gas and let the back slide into position going around corners in town when it is safe to do so and now the car feels like it's more one solid piece. You did a great job making these. Thanks, Dave Bart
 

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Posted by BadWS6 (Member # 1799) on :
 
My Wife purchased a set of Don Goets bolt on sub-frame coccectors for me as a 24th year anniversary gift. I just finished installing them ( took a little more than two hours). Don's instructions,product and customer service are second to none. The connectors arrived yesterday and one of the nuts and bolts were missing. I wanted them on before the picnic but I understand things happen. We called Don late yesterday afternoon and he said he would get the missing part right out. this morning the bolt and nut are on the front porch (Thats service). So I read thru the instructions and stsrt the install on the passeger side. I will be dammed the forward bolt hole dosent line up, on closer inspection iT'S not the connector that is miss-aligned it's the several layers of channel thet GM did not bother to line up. So after a little creative grinding on the frame channel everything went tougether fine. Don's instructions said that I may have to relocate or adjust the fuel lines. All I had to do was cut the factory zip tie and slide the factory plactic wire loom back into the frame about 1/2 inch. As a added benefit the fuel lines are now protected be the sub-frame connector rather than the thin plactic.

I took the car out for a short drive WOW you wouldn't believe the difference 90% in moans and groans now gone(That alone was worth the price) also the Bird seems to corner flatter

In short I am very impressed

Thanks Don

PS and thanks Sandy
 

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Posted by Dave99SSC221 (Member # 224) on :
 
It's raining today and tomorrow if it's nice tomorrow I'll do a little more testing. My car never had any rattles or noise of any kind but I know she is tighter and the SFC's will keep it that way. Several years ago I was in Florida on a course and I was in stop and go traffic in a rental and I could hear a car coming up through traffic and when I saw it, it was a Viper and that thing moved in and out like it was glued to the road. I'm sure the guy driving it also had some skill. My SS now feels like the way I saw that Viper move.
 

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Posted by DGOETZ (Member # 1846) on :
 

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Don, I got my SS convertible out from storage for the winter and was able to try out the SFC's. When I backed out of the drive and onto the road I heard a click sound from the passenger side. I drove it for a bit and heard the same sound a few times over a few bumps. I returned home and tightened up the bolt that goes through the lower control arm and no more clicking. The car feels tighter around corners. I've always loved to shut off the traction control on dry pavement and just give her a little shot on the gas and let the back slide into position going around corners in town when it is safe to do so and now the car feels like it's more one solid piece. You did a great job making these. Thanks, Dave Bart

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