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I picked up a nail in a tire about an inch from the sidewall (stock F1). The local Goodyear shop told me that any punctures outside of the last tread groove is non-repairable. Is this true?
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Yes they are correct, you can not safely patch a sidewall on a radial tire. For liability reasons no tire shop will do it. It is because the sidewall flexes too much on a radial tire and the patch could come off plus it would make the sidewall weaker and that is where all the stress is. And I might add I just put a new set of Cooper Xeon tires on mine 1 month ago and already had to replace it due to a big screw that stuck in the sidewall about 1 inch from the tread. Lucky for me I had road hazzard and it paid for the new tire.
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I have had tires patched that had a hole near the sidewall.I know that the tire cannot be fixed if the hole is where the sidewall meets the tread. Posts: 5682 | From: Dearborn,Mi. | Registered: Feb 2002
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Sorry to hear of your plight but especially with speed rated tires like these are I personally wouldn't plug that close to the edge. As J.B. said there is alot of flex in this area, especially if inflation is even a little low. Better safe than sorry...I'm sure you wouldn't want to have that sweet LPM car of yours go out of control because of a sudden flat.
By the way how are your 10 spokes holding up? If you remember you were the one that finally convinced me to go for the 10 spokes on my order form. I'm them, even with the little extra it takes to keep them clean.
quote:Originally posted by Chrysalis: Sorry to hear of your plight but especially with speed rated tires like these are I personally wouldn't plug that close to the edge. As J.B. said there is alot of flex in this area, especially if inflation is even a little low. Better safe than sorry...I'm sure you wouldn't want to have that sweet LPM car of yours go out of control because of a sudden flat.
By the way how are your 10 spokes holding up? If you remember you were the one that finally convinced me to go for the 10 spokes on my order form. I'm them, even with the little extra it takes to keep them clean.
I'm having a problem with the 10-spokes. When I first had this tire repaired, the chrome began flaking off near the rim, apparently due to the stress of the tire reinstallation. The tire installers used the correct tools however. My dealer is planning to cover this under warranty, but I'm afraid that this will also happen with the other rims. Since I only have 15K on the car, I won't be replacing the tires until my warranty expires.
Regarding "losing control", my wife lost control of the car on gravel and spun it out into a ditch. Damage included many scratches due the bushes mowed down, busted CME, torn CME facia, and damaged rear bumper. The last 8 months have been rather expensive, and now I'm looking a a new tire or two.
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I own a tire shop and what everyone has told you is exactly correct. From what you have described, I would have to turn you away too if you weren't willing to purchase a new tire.
If the tire was repairable, you could repair it if it is a least 3/4 of inch from where the tread meets the sidewall HOWEVER, you would loose the speed rating of the tire.
Also, NEVER EVER allow anyone to plug a tire. Even if it is repairable, it voids the manufacturers warranty (in almost all cases) on the tire. When you shove a plug into the tire it separates the belts.
The only proper way to repair a radial tire is with a radial tire patch on the inside of the tire. But again on a speed rated tire, you would loose the speed rating of the tire. If the tire was repairable (the hole wasn't too close to the sidewall or too large to patch) and the tire was rated "S" or "T", to patch it would be fine. But in the case of a "H", "U", "V", "W' or "Z" rated, I would recommend purchasing a new tire for a high performance vehicle.
quote:Originally posted by Chrysalis: Sorry to hear of your plight but especially with speed rated tires like these are I personally wouldn't plug that close to the edge. As J.B. said there is alot of flex in this area, especially if inflation is even a little low. Better safe than sorry...I'm sure you wouldn't want to have that sweet LPM car of yours go out of control because of a sudden flat.
By the way how are your 10 spokes holding up? If you remember you were the one that finally convinced me to go for the 10 spokes on my order form. I'm them, even with the little extra it takes to keep them clean.
I'm having a problem with the 10-spokes. When I first had this tire repaired, the chrome began flaking off near the rim, apparently due to the stress of the tire reinstallation. The tire installers used the correct tools however. My dealer is planning to cover this under warranty, but I'm afraid that this will also happen with the other rims. Since I only have 15K on the car, I won't be replacing the tires until my warranty expires.
Regarding "losing control", my wife lost control of the car on gravel and spun it out into a ditch. Damage included many scratches due the bushes mowed down, busted CME, torn CME facia, and damaged rear bumper. The last 8 months have been rather expensive, and now I'm looking a a new tire or two.
How are you doing?
So far so good. I only have 13800 miles on the car since its definitely not my daily driver, that is reserved for my 84 Firebird 6 banger (at least it's a 5 speed). The cars been great and with all the Zaino I've put on it it looks as good, if not better, than the day I took delivery. I still love those 10 spokes too, even though your horror story about the flaking seems to be the norm not the exception.
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I had picked up a nail in my tire near the last tread groove and had it repaired at a local Goodyear tire shop. This held air for about 4 months until it started leaking again and I took it back for another fix. This fix lasted one week. Took it back again and it leaked immediately. The guy at the shop said that since it was near the edge, the puncture was not repairable and I needed a new tire.
Took it to another shop (a better one!) and they patched it using a different procedure. The original Goodyear shop just used the "bandage" patch which apparently has some problems in a high stress area. The better fix is to drill it and install a plug/patch combo.
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your injury is right at the belt package edge. the most dangerous area of the tire to substain an injury.
even if properly repaired...the chance is an air pocket will form.... due to the flex of the belt package during operation. eventually..the belt edge will begin to seperate and lift.... if you dont notice it in time... you could throw the whole belt package.....ie: blowout.
Goodyear is using thier head on this one. it suks....but get a new tire.
(in case you dont know me......im a tire engineer, have been since 1978)
-------------------- 1997 SLP Cars: Mine - Comp T/A #139 (sold and gone) Mine now - Firehawk #132 (For Sale - maybe, but maybe not......) 2003 Envoy - Loaded (hers) 2004 Envoy - Loaded (mine)
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I know you, just expected to see you with your mask and knife, but I guess you are getting mellow. The puncture was 2 inches inboard from the sidewall and about 1/4 inch outside of the last main tread groove.
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I haven't seen the tire to say for sure. But ask yourself how much is a new life or if your lucky just a new car. If the general thoughts are you need a new tire. Like the nikey ad, Just do It.
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Take Ken C's advice and get a new tire.........I had exactly the same puncture about a year ago and I bought a new tire for all the reasons that have been mentioned above. YOUR SAFETY IS AT STAKE HERE!
One other thing worth mentioning is if your matching tire on the other side of the car is worn quite a bit more than a new tire, you might want to consider getting two new ones. Then do your self a favor and buy the hazard insurance from GoodYear on all FOUR of your tires! Then if this happens again it will be a lot less painfull to your pocketbook.
-------------------- Dave S Black 2000 Camaro SS Posts: 502 | From: Fort Mill, South Carolina....Charlotte | Registered: Aug 2003
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