quote:Originally posted by RHT: Question: Is it necesarry to have custom programming to run a 160 stat? I really want that mod, but don't want to use an HPP3 and LS1 Edit is expensive...well they both are.
My future mod plans will eventually require custom programming, but it will be limited. I think I can get it tuned at a shop and call it good.
Ryan
You don't have to get programming done with the thermostat but it won't be fully effective if you don't. The thermostat will just open sooner but the fans will still turn on at the same temperature. So around the city it will run the same temperature as stock but on the highway it will run cooler. If you got the fan settings lower through programming then it will run cooler in the city...
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quote:Originally posted by RagSS: ...Andy, ...since you have this set-up (Berger with lower suspension), ...are there any clearance issues? I have an '02 vert with Bilstein that it could be an issue with.
Thanks, Kevin
The headers are actually nice and tight to the underside of the car. The driverside of the Y and the driverside cat hang down a bit and I have scraped them a couple of times. The worst killer are speed bumps. Other than that just fine!
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Thanks everyone for comments, etc. I am scheduled to have the headers, GMMG, and ASP underdrive installed on the 22nd by Rapid Motor Sports (hope to meet up with Ralph while I'm there). I am so excited about getting this done, I'll take lots of pictures (if they let me).
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Wow! Sounds great DaddySS. I can't wait for the pics. Where is Rapid Motorsports located? I'm in Northern NJ (I'll be using Hawthorne Chevy per your recommendation) and that might be a good place for me to get some performance work done in the not too distant future. Maybe I'll even get to hear your setup before I make my final decision on headers. Posts: 388 | From: NJ | Registered: Dec 2002
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quote:Originally posted by 01ss87iroc: Wow! Sounds great DaddySS. I can't wait for the pics. Where is Rapid Motorsports located? I'm in Northern NJ (I'll be using Hawthorne Chevy per your recommendation) and that might be a good place for me to get some performance work done in the not too distant future. Maybe I'll even get to hear your setup before I make my final decision on headers.
Rapid is in Penn. about 90 minutes from us. A bit of a distance but I've heard a lot of good things about Mike and his shop, and that's where Ralph had his done, plus it gives me the chance to meet up with Ralph (hopefully) while I'm there.
We have a couple of choices, there's also Cartek in Garfield and SLP in Toms River.
I will get lots of pictures (if they will let me) and I can't wait to show you guys when it's done, so I'll be sure to try to set something up.
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quote: Maybe I'll even get to hear your setup before I make my final decision on headers
...Where does the line start, ...I want to hear it too
I'll be sure to keep in touch so that you guys can check it out. I know how you feel about making the final decision, I've been working on this and going back and forth for more than a year.
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Is the date set for the 22nd of January? E-mail me or call me closer to the date so I know you will be there. 717-445-4514. Mike will let you take all the pictures you want,as long as you don't get in his way.
Ralph
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quote:Originally posted by 01ss87iroc: Wow! Sounds great DaddySS. I can't wait for the pics. Where is Rapid Motorsports located? I'm in Northern NJ (I'll be using Hawthorne Chevy per your recommendation) and that might be a good place for me to get some performance work done in the not too distant future. Maybe I'll even get to hear your setup before I make my final decision on headers.
Rapid is in Penn. about 90 minutes from us. A bit of a distance but I've heard a lot of good things about Mike and his shop, and that's where Ralph had his done, plus it gives me the chance to meet up with Ralph (hopefully) while I'm there.
We have a couple of choices, there's also Cartek in Garfield and SLP in Toms River.
I will get lots of pictures (if they will let me) and I can't wait to show you guys when it's done, so I'll be sure to try to set something up.
Thanks DaddySS! Those are the shops I came across and I also found a place called Total Performance off on Rte. 202 off of Rte. 17. However, I would feel better going to a shop with the best customer feedback...but I, unfortunately, don't have to worry about that for a while.
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quote:Originally posted by RagSS:
quote: Maybe I'll even get to hear your setup before I make my final decision on headers
...Where does the line start, ...I want to hear it too
I'll be sure to keep in touch so that you guys can check it out. I know how you feel about making the final decision, I've been working on this and going back and forth for more than a year.
Thanks again DaddySS! I really look forward to seeing the pics and hearing how the mods sound. Posts: 388 | From: NJ | Registered: Dec 2002
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Is the date set for the 22nd of January? E-mail me or call me closer to the date so I know you will be there. 717-445-4514. Mike will let you take all the pictures you want,as long as you don't get in his way.
Ralph
Yes the date is set. The only thing that will stop me is a snow storm. I'll call ahead of time.
Rich
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Well I am off this morning to get the headers and exhaust, along with the stat and underdrive pulleys installed, then over to the dyno shop to have it tuned.
I got the SLP CAI installed the other day (but haven't tried it out yet), should be interesting this morning in 5 degree weather. By the way I have good tips for anyone about to do this install.
Have cameras and will post pictures hopefully tonight.
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keeping my fingers crossed for you! Hope it all works out well!
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...Have a safe trip Rich. It's definitely cold this morning, ...but clear and sunny ...Can't wait to see (hear) it...
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Just got back! Mike at Rapid Motor Sports did a great job.
Installed:
TTS Long tubes, GMMG exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley and 180 stat. We went right over to the dyno and tuned her so no running rich, SES lights etc. No banging, tucks up nicely, all in all a good thing. I have to get used to the sound though - much louder but a very nice note.
Not too impressed with my numbers overall, but they are what they are so that's fine.
320.5 RWHP, 329.6 RWTQ
It pulls incredibly thoughn and get's stronger from 3k to right up to.....
The dyno doesn't show the CAI gains either.
Anyway, thanks everyone for your support on this little project, I'll post pics later..too tired right now. Posts: 3403 | From: Woodcliff Lake, NJ, USA | Registered: Dec 2000
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Glad you're happy with the work done. It would be interesting to get second run on another dyno to get a second opinion on the performance gains.
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quote:Originally posted by JohnS: Glad you're happy with the work done. It would be interesting to get second run on another dyno to get a second opinion on the performance gains.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
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quote:Originally posted by JohnS: Glad you're happy with the work done. It would be interesting to get second run on another dyno to get a second opinion on the performance gains.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
I completely forgot about Rapid.
Great work, and great prices. Phil Hirsch (Miriah's Phil) had work done there too.
ok, start saving for heads and cam now Rich... and Lamonda says hello. Posts: 2441 | From: Chester, NY | Registered: Feb 2000
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It was nice seeing you again Rich. Had a good time. Glad you made it home safely.I had my SS tuned by Mikey also. Had it done on the same dyno. I got 333.8/rwhp and 342.8/rwtq. Thats with FLP LT headers with cats and GMMG chambered exhaust. In the spring I am going to get it done with the ORP on,to see if there is a difference.
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quote:Originally posted by OBSSD: Rich, do you know what your numbers were before? And are the numbers they gave you SAE corrected? What brand dynomometer?
Last dyno was 308.5, so this is a pick up of only 12 from Headers, high flow cats and performance exhaust. It seems that one of two things is the case; either the previous was high or this is low because I definitely feel a great deal more power, especially in the higher RPM range.
The dyno is a dynojet, and I don't know what SAE corrected means!
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quote:Originally posted by sscamaro: It was nice seeing you again Rich. Had a good time. Glad you made it home safely.I had my SS tuned by Mikey also. Had it done on the same dyno. I got 333.8/rwhp and 342.8/rwtq. Thats with FLP LT headers with cats and GMMG chambered exhaust. In the spring I am going to get it done with the ORP on,to see if there is a difference.
Great to see you again Ralph. Sorry I wasn't a better host but it was too darn cold, and I was a bit nervous about all the work being done!
We finished up at about 2:30 and headed over to the dyno, finished there at 4:30. I saw your graph - impressive! My torque curve is excellent, on the previous dyno I broke 300 at 3700, on this run I break 300 at 2800 and break 300 horsepower at 4600 versus 5200 before.
Anyway...it runs and sounds a lot better. Posts: 3403 | From: Woodcliff Lake, NJ, USA | Registered: Dec 2000
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quote:Originally posted by DaddySS: I don't know what SAE corrected means!
compensates (normalizes) for temp, humidity, etc so you can compare runs on different days.
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quote:Originally posted by DaddySS: I don't know what SAE corrected means!
compensates (normalizes) for temp, humidity, etc so you can compare runs on different days.
Thanks Chris. How do you know if it's SAE corrected, would it say it on the printout?
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numbers are nice, but the real proof comes on the time slips! that's the real numbers!
glad everything worked out it's been interesting following the process. thanks for sharing with us!
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, ...as Hawkeye said, ...that's what matters. Sounds like they did a great job...
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, ...as Hawkeye said, ...that's what matters. Sounds like they did a great job...
Absolutely true. When you think of the alternative - Banging the floor, throwing SES lights, scraping the ground, leaking, running rich, less power, etc.,etc. that we we have all read - equally important to me is reliability and performance and I think I've achieved that. I have wanted a true muscle car with a set of headers on it and a muscular sounding exhaust for a long, long time and now I have it, so no complaints here (although I do need to figure out how to leave the house at 05:45 like I normally do without waking up the neighbors!).
I want to keep the kind of subdued look yet have a car that acts and sounds mean so I'm getting there.
Thanks everyone for your continued feedback, I really appreciate it.
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I have heard his dyno usually runs a little low. I will find out in spring. I will be taking it to a dyno in Machanicsberg,PA. I was there in November with 12 other guys. It only cost $50.00 for 3 pulls. I hope you are satified with Mikey's work.
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Just for your information,at Camaro Superfest this coming July ,Werks Motorsports will have their portable dyno there again this year.They just accuired a sponser,Castrol so they will be offering 3 dyno pulls to any Camaro registered for the show,for FREE!!!! This means when you pay the $24 show entry fee,and get your car dynoed for free,you have one heck of a good deal. Posts: 5682 | From: Dearborn,Mi. | Registered: Feb 2002
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quote:Originally posted by 2002Z4CSS: Just for your information,at Camaro Superfest this coming July ,Werks Motorsports will have their portable dyno there again this year.They just accuired a sponser,Castrol so they will be offering 3 dyno pulls to any Camaro registered for the show,for FREE!!!! This means when you pay the $24 show entry fee,and get your car dynoed for free,you have one heck of a good deal.
That's almost a offer I can't refuse. Hope we can free up the time to attend this year's event.
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Sounds like the new stuff is working (and sounding) pretty good. Now it's time to really wake up the new configuration with a cam. It'll give you that true musclecar sound you know you're still craving. TTS headers and GMMG exhaust is great but wait 'til you hear it 'under the influence' of a cam...
Plus, it'll bump that horsepower and torque right up to where you need it.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark IXZD 150: Hey DaddySS,
Sounds like the new stuff is working (and sounding) pretty good. Now it's time to really wake up the new configuration with a cam. It'll give you that true musclecar sound you know you're still craving. TTS headers and GMMG exhaust is great but wait 'til you hear it 'under the influence' of a cam...
Plus, it'll bump that horsepower and torque right up to where you need it.
Hey Mark, great to hear from you..yes I know about the cam....researching and that will be next winter's project. Posts: 3403 | From: Woodcliff Lake, NJ, USA | Registered: Dec 2000
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quote:Originally posted by sscamaro: I have heard his dyno usually runs a little low. I will find out in spring. I will be taking it to a dyno in Machanicsberg,PA. I was there in November with 12 other guys. It only cost $50.00 for 3 pulls. I hope you are satified with Mikey's work.
I think you're right about the dyno. I'll get a better sense tomorrow when I take her out for a spin. I was tired, the car was full of all the old parts, it was dark etc. so I didn't check it out too much, tomorrow I'll open her up a bit.
I am very happy with Mike's work. It was a pleasure to watch someone who knows what they are doing, is careful, and knows these cars inside and out.
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Congratulations DaddySS! Glad to read that you were pleased with the work and that it was a quality job. I might need more details on that shop come mod time. Looking forward to the pics and hearing your car hum..... Posts: 388 | From: NJ | Registered: Dec 2002
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