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what Teri said - you can order the emblems from SLP, and add them if they've just fallen off.
Check the passenger side door as well for "extras".
-------------------- Hawkeye: SSOA F98-C98
1998 SS - Black All Options - Mods Whisper Lid, K & N, Lou's Short Stick, Shift Light, Skip Shift, SLP Y, Borla, 4:10's, BMR STB, SLP SFCs, Granatelli MAF, Hypertech III, 160 Stat, Mallory Billet Pedals, Metco Aluminum LCAs,Fast Toys Ram Air Mod, Spohn Panhard Bar, BMR Torque Arm, free EGR mod,power antenna, BMR LCA brackets, Gentex Temp/Compass Auto Dim Mirror, AllMaxx Strobe and Wig Wag, BAER Eradispeed rotors,PPC Headers with Random Technology Hi Flow Cats, BMR Drive shaft Loop,FAST 78MM Throttle Body, FAST 78MM Composite Intake, Mobil 1 & lots of Zaino.
Wife & Best Friend Mary - copilot. Posts: 5558 | From: Windsor, Ontario. Canada | Registered: Feb 2000
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quote:Originally posted by HTWLSS: Look for RPO code WU8 on your driver's door sticker. That will clear up if it's an SS or not.
Okay...I went outside and checked the top sticker on the door with all the letters and numbers on it. I did not see a "WU8" on it. What should I do? It LOOKS like an SS, but is there a place that would let me "disassemble" the VIN number to see for sure?
quote:Originally posted by HTWLSS: Look for RPO code WU8 on your driver's door sticker. That will clear up if it's an SS or not.
Okay...I went outside and checked the top sticker on the door with all the letters and numbers on it. I did not see a "WU8" on it. What should I do? It LOOKS like an SS, but is there a place that would let me "disassemble" the VIN number to see for sure?
i think the most you could get out of the vin is who made it (chevy) where (ste therese) what engine (LS1) and the production sequence. i could be mistaken though
quote:Originally posted by HTWLSS: The VIN won't tell you whether it's an SS or not. The tag on the driver's side door is what will verify the SS option of WU8.
Can you take a pic of your door sticker and post it for us?
Basically, you need to have the pic hosted on the web somewhere that allows hotlinking. Then you put [img] insert URL of pic here w/out spaces [/img] tags around the images URL and voila!
If nothing else, email me the pic and I'll see what I can do to help you out.
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Basically, you need to have the pic hosted on the web somewhere that allows hotlinking. Then you put [img] insert URL of pic here w/out spaces [/img] tags around the images URL and voila!
If nothing else, email me the pic and I'll see what I can do to help you out. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Thanks a lot! I'm really stressed now. I'm just thinking that the car dealership I bought it at pulled a fast one with me. I'll probably just e-mail it to you. We don't have a website yet.
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Email is fine. If the dealership pulled a number on you, I hope you have recourse (have some money coming back to you, or can get the SS you want). We'll help you out wherever we can.
For comparison, here's the driver's door sticker from our 1999 Navy Blue SS Convertible:
Here's one of the SLP stickers:
The Tire sticker:
and our Y2Y sticker showing optional SLP content:
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If WU8 is missing from the RPO listing then the car is NOT an SS. Also, if the SLP sticker in the drivers door jamb is missing, then it is not an SS.
Another check would be the GM tire loading decal. The 98 SS came with 17" wheels from GM with 275/40ZR17 tires. If the tire size is 16" then the car is a Z28
Both of the GM decals in the door jambs are VIN specific and are not replacable decals. They are tamper proof.
Y2Y in the RPO listing is for the additional content that SLP can provide. If there is additional content then there will be another SLP decal in the passenger side door jamb.
I think I have explained it correctly . . .
The GM VIN has absolutely nothing in it saying the car in an SS. An SS starts out at GM as a Z28 (thus Z28 is in the RPO tag) and then by code WU8 (and optionally Y2Y) it was sent to and converted by SLP to an SS. Look at your insurance card, I bet is says Z28 . . .
BTW the "SS" emblems are a GM Part Number ordered from GM not SLP.
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Some of the earlier SS's like mine - can have extra SLP content without the Y2Y option.
I went into that in detail a few years back. But I think in 1999 it should have WU8 and Y2Y or else it's a clone not a real SS -
-------------------- Hawkeye: SSOA F98-C98
1998 SS - Black All Options - Mods Whisper Lid, K & N, Lou's Short Stick, Shift Light, Skip Shift, SLP Y, Borla, 4:10's, BMR STB, SLP SFCs, Granatelli MAF, Hypertech III, 160 Stat, Mallory Billet Pedals, Metco Aluminum LCAs,Fast Toys Ram Air Mod, Spohn Panhard Bar, BMR Torque Arm, free EGR mod,power antenna, BMR LCA brackets, Gentex Temp/Compass Auto Dim Mirror, AllMaxx Strobe and Wig Wag, BAER Eradispeed rotors,PPC Headers with Random Technology Hi Flow Cats, BMR Drive shaft Loop,FAST 78MM Throttle Body, FAST 78MM Composite Intake, Mobil 1 & lots of Zaino.
Wife & Best Friend Mary - copilot. Posts: 5558 | From: Windsor, Ontario. Canada | Registered: Feb 2000
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If there is no extra Y2Y content there will be no SLP sticker-only the GM stickers;but WU8 should be on the GM option sticker. And there should be 3 SS emblems-one in back and the two fender ones.
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Sounds like it is a clone. Does anyone know for certain if twobrats has any recourse against the seller or is it caveat emptor?
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Probably depends on what's on the bill of sale, price paid, money lost or gained, etc.
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quote:Originally posted by Hawkeye: Some of the earlier SS's like mine - can have extra SLP content without the Y2Y option.
I went into that in detail a few years back. But I think in 1999 it should have WU8 and Y2Y or else it's a clone not a real SS -
Yeah, '98 seemed to be a "transition" year for the Y2Y stuff. It didn't get nailed down until '99.
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quote:Originally posted by Hawkeye: Some of the earlier SS's like mine - can have extra SLP content without the Y2Y option.
I went into that in detail a few years back. But I think in 1999 it should have WU8 and Y2Y or else it's a clone not a real SS -
Hawkeye The WU8 was on a 98 SS I ordered one new in 98 White car white top and white leather convertible with all opts the only one built in all white loaded
-------------------- Willard (Mike) Scott Worldwide Camaro Club North Carolina state Rep. 2001 SS convertible with all SLP opts. Sunset Orange Neutral top Neutral leather http://community.webshots.com/user/wmss Posts: 737 | From: Siler City N.C. | Registered: Sep 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Hawkeye: Some of the earlier SS's like mine - can have extra SLP content without the Y2Y option.
I went into that in detail a few years back. But I think in 1999 it should have WU8 and Y2Y or else it's a clone not a real SS -
Hawkeye The WU8 was on a 98 SS I ordered one new in 98 White car white top and white leather convertible with all opts the only one built in all white loaded
right you are - I have WU8 without the Y2Y, my car was made, shipped to a dealer, then returned to SLP for additional content. It has been verified by SLP, no Y2Y from GM but has SLP installed options. As Teri stated in 1999 SLP no longer allowed extra content after the original order was placed.
Just part of SLP growing into the SS program.
-------------------- Hawkeye: SSOA F98-C98
1998 SS - Black All Options - Mods Whisper Lid, K & N, Lou's Short Stick, Shift Light, Skip Shift, SLP Y, Borla, 4:10's, BMR STB, SLP SFCs, Granatelli MAF, Hypertech III, 160 Stat, Mallory Billet Pedals, Metco Aluminum LCAs,Fast Toys Ram Air Mod, Spohn Panhard Bar, BMR Torque Arm, free EGR mod,power antenna, BMR LCA brackets, Gentex Temp/Compass Auto Dim Mirror, AllMaxx Strobe and Wig Wag, BAER Eradispeed rotors,PPC Headers with Random Technology Hi Flow Cats, BMR Drive shaft Loop,FAST 78MM Throttle Body, FAST 78MM Composite Intake, Mobil 1 & lots of Zaino.
Wife & Best Friend Mary - copilot. Posts: 5558 | From: Windsor, Ontario. Canada | Registered: Feb 2000
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I went to the local dealership in our town and they ran the VIN through the computer. Not only is it a clone, it has had some fairly major work done to it (some work on the rear end, and some work on the driver's side, towing to name a few). At this point, I really don't know what sort of recourse we have against the dealership but we are definitely looking into it. They ADVERTISED an SS, but none of the paperwork says it is one.
If you would like to see a picture of the car, go to (I hope this works):
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Wrong wheels, wrong brakes-cars did not come with red calipers. No emblems is a dead giveawy. Can't see the back end but the spoiler appears to be wrong as well.(
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Wow. I don't know what to tell you as far as recourse against the dealer, but that car is missing two major things I can tell just from the picture:
It has the 16" Z28 wheels and it does not have the SS spoiler.
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Looks like a Z with an aftermarket hood. Only mention of SS is in "Hurry SS..." in description. I suppose they could elude to it being a typo, or they were addressing only people with SS for initials!
Still, it was listed as a Z-28, and although all SS's are Z-28's, they are generally advertised as SS's if they are indeed WU8. Definitely sneaky, but for the price you paid, I think you got a pretty good deal on a good looking Z-28. (The stock Z/6 cyl. hood is the ugliest thing about the Camaro, IMO)If it bothers you, go after 'em. Good Luck.
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Have You Forgotten How You Felt That Day? Never Forget 9/11/01. Posts: 184 | From: Harleysville, Pennsylvania | Registered: May 2000
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Oh, I agree that it's a great looking Z-28. But to me, to drive 3 hours for an "SS" just to get it home is too much hassle. I feel like such a buffoon not researching it further. I think that's what makes me most upset. If they would have said it was a Z-28 instead of an SS, I probably would have still bought it. But now I'm rather upset at their shady dealings.
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It doesn't have any of the SS upgrades, probably-no suspension, wheels, tires, exhaust, spoiler, emblems plus the hood is probably a cheap aftermarket knock-off. Also, as I said, check the brake calipers-they've been altered by somebody. Talk to the local BBB and see what track record the dealer has then call the local GM zone manager.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles. You might have a possible Consumer Fraud Act claim, but as JeffY stated, a lot will depend on the documentats you received and whether they pitched the car to you as an SS. Trouble is, there are giveaways on the car that scream, not an SS, but a good lawyer will be able to help your cause...but will hurt your pocket. No dealer likes bad publicity. Good luck!
-------------------- 01 SS - #1321, 6sp, T-tops, SLP D/D, SLP mats & key fobs, SLP Bilstein, SLP PP lid - SOLD, gone but not forgotten 87 Iroc - 5sp, TPI, T-top, G92 Pics http://www.highspeeddriving.com/phpbb2/index.php Posts: 388 | From: NJ | Registered: Dec 2002
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Did the person you dealt with refer to the car as an SS?
quote:Originally posted by JeffY: It doesn't have any of the SS upgrades, probably-no suspension, wheels, tires, exhaust, spoiler, emblems plus the hood is probably a cheap aftermarket knock-off. Also, as I said, check the brake calipers-they've been altered by somebody. Talk to the local BBB and see what track record the dealer has then call the local GM zone manager.
Very good advice - especially about visiting the local BBB.
quote:Originally posted on AutoTrader: HURRY SS , WONT LAST!!! LOW MILES!!! * Important!! Ask for ''Kevin Collesano''.Deal w/ the Manager direct when you arrive at the dealership , for your best deal, & to recieve $300.00 off phn: 281-536-3008 * This late model vehicle includes Power Steering, Power Brakes, Power Door Locks, Power Windows, Power Driver's Seat, AM/FM Stereo Radio, Chromed Factory Wheels, Trip Odometer, Tachometer, Air Conditioning, and Tilt Steering Wheel.
It is misleading, having SS as the second word in the comments. I would also contact AutoTrader.com and explain to them the exact nature of the car versus what was advertised.
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You are the very proud owner of a 1999 Z28 with and aftermarket SS hood.
AS stated before:
16" wheels No SS rear spoiler The other obvious give away would be the exhaust but you mention that was replaced.
Kind of shady, but the top of the ad clearly states a Z28. . . .
I'd certainly be angry with it being represented as an SS, but most dealers are so friggin stupid they would be able to tell a reall SS from a fake anyway . . .
I thought you had 30 days to return a used car . . .
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If it were my car, I would put my foot down with the dealer and let them know they can avoid furthur problems if they either take the car back for misrepresenting it or finish the car and make it into one that truly looks like an SS. To make it into an SS, they need to buy you a set of the take off rims and tires from SLP.........this will get you genuine SS rim/tires....and they aren't that expensive either ($799 for all four rims and tires!) SLP WEB SITE Then they should get an aftermarket SS spoiler and paint it and install it....these are available from several sources. Then have them install SS emblems on the fenders and rear fascia and you will have a clone that no one can tell is a clone.
quote:Originally posted by SS_CarGuy: ... finish the car and make it into one that truly looks like an SS. ... Then have them install SS emblems on the fenders and rear fascia and you will have a clone that no one can tell is a clone.
You forgot suspension and exhaust and that all important 98+ SS verifier, WU8. Without genuine parts from SLP, it's just a poser, especially if emblems are added. 99.9% of the population wouldn't know, but he would.
We have a real SS spoiler, hood and exhaust (among other parts) verified & installed by SLP on the '98 SLP Development Car. It isn't an SS verifiable w/WU8, so it does not have SS emblems on it, nor will we try to pass it off as such. It's a Z28 used by SLP to develop SS content, loaded up w/goodies. It's a "history" car and that makes it special. I'd never make it a poser by adding emblems when it doesn't deserve it.
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quote:Originally posted by SS_CarGuy: ... finish the car and make it into one that truly looks like an SS. ... Then have them install SS emblems on the fenders and rear fascia and you will have a clone that no one can tell is a clone.
You forgot suspension and exhaust and that all important 98+ SS verifier, WU8. Without genuine parts from SLP, it's just a poser, especially if emblems are added. 99.9% of the population wouldn't know, but he would.
We have a real SS spoiler, hood and exhaust (among other parts) verified & installed by SLP on the '98 SLP Development Car. It isn't an SS verifiable w/WU8, so it does not have SS emblems on it, nor will we try to pass it off as such. It's a Z28 used by SLP to develop SS content, loaded up w/goodies. It's a "history" car and that makes it special. I'd never make it a poser by adding emblems when it doesn't deserve it.
To each his own I guess. It already has an aftermarket exhaust and if the dealer would do all the other work they would have a very reasonably priced car IMHO. If not, like I said, get the dealer to take it back for misrepresenting it!
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quote:Originally posted by SS_CarGuy: To each his own I guess. It already has an aftermarket exhaust and if the dealer would do all the other work they would have a very reasonably priced car IMHO. If not, like I said, get the dealer to take it back for misrepresenting it!
It should only be advertised as a modified Z28 and not an SS. I'd be concerned about the body work and what's underneath.
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Let me ask you a few questions.......
Does the car have any Z28 emblems on it?
What are similar SSs going for in South Texas?
In looking at the ad, it clearly states at the top that the vehicle is a Z28.......of course, it also says in the write/up descriptor "SS" -- but I only saw SS once in the whole ad.....
I would not rush to judgement on the dealership just yet. They may have made a mistake in putting SS in the body of the writeup/descriptor.....I mean, the only thing that makes that car look like an SS is the hood........wrong wheels, no emblems, wrong spoiler, wrong exhaust, wrong tires..........
Next question: How did the paperwork read...and what did the title say?
Now....if every paper you have received from the dealer has SS written all over it, you may have a case.....on the other hand, you probably should have looked closer at the car........
Solution? I would not go into the dealership with both guns blazing....rather, I'd ask them to please take the car back and find you a genuine SS.........
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From a few salesmen I've seen, they wouldn't know the difference.
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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, BMR STB, BMR chrome-moly panhard rod, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley Power Shot filter, mallory polished MAF ends, 4.10 gears, PPC LT's. 336 rwhp, 345 rwtq
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If you paid a premium for the car because "it was an SS", then I'd go back and try and work out something. A 99 Z28, 44K miles, average retail in that area shows in the kelly blue book retail as $13,105, and by only changing it to the SS package shows a $15,770 price ($11,385 for trade-in value for "good" with SS). I know the market may not be hot for Camaros right now, but it shows the SS package does call for a generally higher price. Depending on how much you actually paid, you probably came in well under either of those. The car's price in the ad seems consistent with Z28 pricing. See if they have any similar cars and check those prices to give you an idea.
I don't know about '99s, but my 2002 had Z28 on the window sticker, since it IS one, and the SS package is listed as an option. Not to get nit picky here, but the ad DOES mention "SS", and the fact is they did mention it in the ad for that car. Depending on the laws, that may be all it takes to constitute fraudulent advertising. From this thread, apparently the hood and rear SS emblem were on the car already, so they could've mistakenly thought it was an SS. And, apparently, you thought so as well. I agree with others, talk to them first and see what the story is and see what they intend to do to rectify the issue.
I can't speak for anyone but me, but I know when I first knew I wanted to get an SS over a Z28, I did some heavy-duty research, most of which I learned at the SLP website. Sure, I knew way more than my dealership did about SS's, because I only spent time on one model because I was going to have a vested interest in getting what I wanted. Big difference in knowledge required to sell them vs. buying them. Dealers didn't sell a ton of the Camaros anyway, so there were few salespeople that knew enough about the cars, let alone SLP (I mentioned SLP to my salesman and got the "deer-in-the-headlights-look). And without the Fbodfather's help, they would have screwed up my options.
Please don't take this as condescending, because it's not intended to be, but when you go to buy a car that normally commands a little higher price, it pays to do the research to know exactly how to authenticate the car. If it has a shady history, or there's no definitive proof the car is what it is said to be, be wary.
And even if you keep the car, you can't go wrong. It's a CAMARO!!
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