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HotWheelSS aka HTWLSS
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From the GM hotline............

quote:
the subject car is a one-off Camaro......built by
Chevrolet......a First Gen Z28 Convertible.

It can be viewed at:

http://www.mecumauction.com/auctions/lot_detail.html?CART=108203283659560&LOT_ID=SC0504-14950


Some background on this "very" special car:

Our Friend, Jim Mattison, at Pontiac Historic Services (Automotive
Services,
Inc.) worked in the Chevy Fleet & Special Order (better known as COPO)
Department
during the late 60's........and was instrumental in getting this car built.

According to Jim, Vince Piggins, then head of Chevy Product Promotions
wanted to make some new equipment available for the Camaro (mostly to
assist the
Penske race team with their Trans Am effort). Approval was required by the
general
manager.

.....As Chevy General Manager, E.M. "Pete" Estes had one of every model
available
for his evaluation. He was also a convertible fanatic, so it was decided
that if Piggins/Mattison could get him a convertible, the prospects of him
driving the car improved
dramatically. After some research, Mattison concluded that it was possible
to produce a
Z-28 Convertible at the assembly plant, so long as management would approve
the
build. Obviously, Chevrolet management gave the OK to build one vehicle, as
no one
would turn down a request that had the general managers name on it and
Mattison
ordered the car.

(Wow...how things have changed!)

Once built, the following components were added by Chevy Engineering for
evaluation and approval:

Factory Cross Ram Intake, with 2x4 carbs
Fiberglass Cowl Plenum Hood
Transistorized Ignition
Tuned Exhaust Headers
4 wheel disc brakes
Koni Adjustable Shocks.

Estes loved the car!........The parts were approved..........Penske won the
Trans Am championship........and the rest is history!

When this Camaro was removed from Company Car service, all special
components, with the exception of the Cowl Plenum hood were removed so
that the car could be sold. Years later all of the special components were
once again added back on the car......Exactly as it was when Pete Estes
had it.

My thanks to Jim Mattison for all the information and help with this
...........



[ 15. April 2004, 03:35 PM: Message edited by: HotWheelSS aka HTWLSS ]

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Wow! That sure is nice! [Eek!]
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I understand it's the only 68' vert, but there were 69' verts,
so it's not the only 1st gen vert... [Confused]

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To my knowledge, That car is the only Z/28 vert. made. All Z's were 4-speed, non A/C and they were hardtops.

[ 15. April 2004, 04:14 PM: Message edited by: cook_dw ]

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Darrell Cook

1998 Onyx Black 6-speed SS
1969 Rallye Green 4-speed Camaro
Project Car: 1968 SS/RS 396 375hp 4-speed Camaro

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Fbodfather
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Correct....lots of '69 Z/28 coupes...but no converts....from GM, that is.....if you see one, it is a poser.......

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Fbodfather
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interesting tidbit...this convert. has all sorts of options...but no Rally Sport Option. I asked Jim about this and he told me that there were concerns about enough Vacuum to operate the headlight doors, so they ordered it without Rally Sport........

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There were no 69' vert Z28's???? What about the white ones with the orange stripe and hounds tooth interior??? And then there were the SS verts... (funky two rows of boxed vents on the hood)

Were these only SS's???
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[ 15. April 2004, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: vyto2 ]

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2001 SOM WS6 w/ T-tops A4
Born on date: ASC# 5602 conversion date Feb 21st, 2001
Current mods: K&N filter, SLP lid, SLP MAF, SLP STB, BMR SFC, Flowmaster & tips, SLP headers, Y-pipe, electric cutout, plugs & wires, Bilstein lowering springs, Bilstein shocks, BMR sway bars, and panhard bar, 3200 stall torque converter, shift kit, Moser 12 bolt w/3:42's, BMR drive shaft loop, BMR LCA, Baer Iradispeed brakes
Future mods: AFR 205cc heads, Lunati cam, SLP underdrive pulley, chrome moly rods, ported throttle body
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HotWheelSS aka HTWLSS
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quote:
Originally posted by vyto2:
There were no 69' vert Z28's???? What about the white ones with the orange stripe and hounds tooth interior??? And then there were the SS verts... (funky two rows of boxed vents on the hood)

Pace cars weren't Z28's, and the SS package wasn't available with Z28.

[ 15. April 2004, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: HotWheelSS aka HTWLSS ]

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Yeah, the stripes and cowl hood fooled me... [Razz] These are SS's too...
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2001 SOM WS6 w/ T-tops A4
Born on date: ASC# 5602 conversion date Feb 21st, 2001
Current mods: K&N filter, SLP lid, SLP MAF, SLP STB, BMR SFC, Flowmaster & tips, SLP headers, Y-pipe, electric cutout, plugs & wires, Bilstein lowering springs, Bilstein shocks, BMR sway bars, and panhard bar, 3200 stall torque converter, shift kit, Moser 12 bolt w/3:42's, BMR drive shaft loop, BMR LCA, Baer Iradispeed brakes
Future mods: AFR 205cc heads, Lunati cam, SLP underdrive pulley, chrome moly rods, ported throttle body
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Beautiful car... I remember reading about it. Wonder what it will go for... hmm terri can you squeaze another one in your garage? [Smile]

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Very Nice. [Cool]
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That Camaro is loaded. It even has a rosewood steering wheel, power windows and center console gauge package! Very nice! [Cool]

Why would GM sell such a rare car?

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That is one awsome car. I'm sure it will bring BIG [Eek!] dollars at whatever auction it goes to.
..gotta love those 1st gens [Big Grin]

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Kevin Kolvenbach,
2002 Sunset Orange SS (#3455),
Convertible, Black top, Ebony leather,
Bilstein, ASR, 6SP w/Hurst,
345HP Dual-Dual

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I believe the two cars pictured would have been refered to as RS/SS's not SS's. There were SS's built without the RS front.

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NQR Racing
Artic White
97 SS Conv.
Blk 84 Z28(Race Car)

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HotWheelSS aka HTWLSS
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quote:
Originally posted by MM:
Beautiful car... I remember reading about it. Wonder what it will go for... hmm terri can you squeaze another one in your garage? [Smile]

Yeah, but I'd never be able to afford it. That one is going to go for big bucks. It's one of the Holy Grail Camaros. I've heard about it for years, but didn't know it still existed. I hope it gets into the hands of someone like Kevin Suydam.

Too bad GM wasn't willing to hold onto it until a Camaro Museum is built.

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quote:
Originally posted by Z28-SORR:
I believe the two cars pictured would have been refered to as RS/SS's not SS's. There were SS's built without the RS front.

The RS option was an appearance package.

The SS option was a performance package.

Historically, you could get an appearance option with a performance option (i.e. RS/Z28 or an RS/SS), but you couldn't get two performance packages together (i.e. SS/Z28). That's why the '96 Z28/SS is a topic of contention.

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Too bad GM wasn't willing to hold onto it until a Camaro Museum is built. [/QB][/QUOTE]


Actually, GM has not owned this car since late 1969 or early 1970...is owned by private individual.........

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quote:
Originally posted by Fbodfather:
quote:
Originally posted by HTWLSS:Too bad GM wasn't willing to hold onto it until a Camaro Museum is built.


Actually, GM has not owned this car since late 1969 or early 1970...is owned by private individual.........

Ah, that makes more sense then! I take that back. [Wink]
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Beautiful vehicle ............ but all the other pictures I've seen of it show it to be dark blue and white ............... wonder if we have some photo color distortion or has the car been repainted [Confused] [Confused]
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MM
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quote:
Originally posted by HotWheelSS aka HTWLSS:

Too bad GM wasn't willing to hold onto it until a Camaro Museum is built.

Hmmm... missy... do you know something I don't.... [Wink] [Big Grin] I've heard a rumor that GM is FINALLY building a GM museum... but I can't confirm only a rumor...

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quote:
Originally posted by Fbodfather:
Too bad GM wasn't willing to hold onto it until a Camaro Museum is built.

I wonder if GM would even consider building a Museum for the Camaro? This would be absolutely cool. [Cool]
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quote:
Originally posted by ss_rs_z:
quote:
Originally posted by Fbodfather:
Too bad GM wasn't willing to hold onto it until a Camaro Museum is built.

I wonder if GM would even consider building a Museum for the Camaro? This would be absolutely cool. [Cool]
Higly unlikey.... since the vette museum was built all with private funds.... the current climate at the General is lots and lots of cut backs.... all the money is going to incentives and new vehicle programs. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by MM:
quote:
Originally posted by HotWheelSS aka HTWLSS:

Too bad GM wasn't willing to hold onto it until a Camaro Museum is built.

Hmmm... missy... do you know something I don't.... [Wink] [Big Grin] I've heard a rumor that GM is FINALLY building a GM museum... but I can't confirm only a rumor...
No, it's just wishful thinking on my part, but it's not impossible. I've seen some discussion on it on the WCC website. Ask Andy Archer if he would like to share any of his ideas with us. [Wink] He's great at brainstorming. [Big Grin]
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Fbodfather
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quote:
Originally posted by Old Coyote:
Beautiful vehicle ............ but all the other pictures I've seen of it show it to be dark blue and white ............... wonder if we have some photo color distortion or has the car been repainted [Confused] [Confused]

According to Jim Mattison who ordered the car originally for Mr. Estes, it's always been British Green......black top, and parchment interior.

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