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Posted by SS3756 (Member # 601) on :
 
According to Ron Zarrella(GM North American President). "The Camaro and Firebird will not be eliminated as long as they are profitable and require no additional investment."
Ok now what is going to happen? 2003 Camaro anyone? And what exactically does this mean in real people speak. It gets interesting does it not.

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Posted by jimb0 (Member # 176) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SS3756:
According to Ron Zarrella(GM North American President). "The Camaro and Firebird will not be eliminated as long as they are profitable and require no additional investment."
Ok now what is going to happen? 2003 Camaro anyone? And what exactically does this mean in real people speak. It gets interesting does it not.

a) the current Camaro and Firebird are not as profitable as they need to be to justify their continuance beyond 2002...and
b) they will not meet all required 2003 standards without a significant additional investment...
 


Posted by John -- '02 HAWK (Member # 164) on :
 
Hey SS3756,

where did you hear/ read this?

Second notice he didn't say fbody. Thats because it wont pass new regulations. Which means a new body is required, and that can be considered an "additional investment".

Scott Settlmyer (sp?), the camaro brand manager, has stated before that the names will probably live on, after the body's death. Just that the names will go into hibernation for awhile (1-2 years).

and as jimbo pointed out they aren't as profitable as GM would like. Which is one of the reasons the WS6 Formula died after '00.

 


Posted by JeffY (Member # 120) on :
 
Don't be so sure about a). You might be very surprised!!
 
Posted by Happy_Dan (Member # 118) on :
 
You gonna get started again??!! Are you an engineer or a marketing guy? Just keep throwing out the little tidbits!!

[This message has been edited by DanA_F99_1977 (edited 05 January 2001).]
 


Posted by Rhode Island Red (Member # 220) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by DanA_F99_1977:
You gonna get started again??!! Are you an engineer or a marketing guy? Just keep throwing out the little tidbits!!

Dan-- Jeff Y. Is giving us the most info he can givin that he is not allowed to divulge (?sp) any information without losing his job and worse.

The given info, no matter how little, he gave us, I am grateful (?sp) for what we got.

But this does not mean that I want to know NOWWWW.

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Posted by SS3756 (Member # 601) on :
 
John the Camaro and Firebird have always been called the F-body. Ever since 1967 that has been their model identification from GM.
I also believe that the F-body line IS profitable for GM, the volume may not be there but a lot of the parts are shared with other GM cars and trucks so the cost is shared.

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Posted by Steve_Winters (Member # 128) on :
 
I spoke with Scott S. this last weekend. He used the word "hiatus" a few times. Be patient, but stay tuned. He implied that he would NOT be changing jobs any time soon.

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Posted by John -- '02 HAWK (Member # 164) on :
 
SS3756 -- I know the fbod's history, and I know GM's history. But just because the names have been on the body for 35 odd years doesn't meant that cant change. Look at the monte carlo, malibu, etc..
 
Posted by poSSum (Member # 119) on :
 
From Left Field ...

The affluence of the performance car buyer has left the F-body behind ... Corvette outsells Firebird ... SS isthe only Camaro model that shows constantly improving sales numbers ... the conversation here and on the SLP board about graduating to Corvettes in general and the Z06 in particular.

How many F-body buyers chose it over the 'vette because of the back seat?
 


Posted by jimb0 (Member # 176) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by poSSum:

How many F-body buyers chose it over the 'vette because of the back seat?


...the f-body has a back seat???

...and you're right...if there are no performance enhancements to be had with the '02 f-bodies (and in all probability there won't be), I'm sure they'll be a significant group of present LS1 f-bod owners graduating to the Vette.

It's the next logical step...


 


Posted by Happy_Dan (Member # 118) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jimb0:
...the f-body has a back seat???

...and you're right...if there are no performance enhancements to be had with the '02 f-bodies (and in all probability there won't be), I'm sure they'll be a significant group of present LS1 f-bod owners graduating to the Vette.

It's the next logical step...

:)


.... for those of us fortunate enough to be able to afford it. A Vette is 50K. That is a significant difference from the cost of an SS and one of the reasons the SS has been so attractive to so many people that love performance cars but are on a budget.

I am still undecided. Hmmm, an Anniversary SS or a Z06? There are many factors in this decision that I am about to make. Money is one of them. If I was just buying something that for a dream and something that I just had to have, it would be a lot more money than either of these cars. So the cost is a factor even though I can afford either one.
 


Posted by Grumpy (Member # 752) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by DanA_F99_1977:


So the cost is a factor even though I can afford either one.

Remember you have two new mouths to feed....
 


Posted by Grumpy (Member # 752) on :
 
Now...

We know thw 2002 won't....

But will the 2003 Camaro get the LS6????
 


Posted by jimb0 (Member # 176) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
Now...

We know thw 2002 won't....

But will the 2003 Camaro get the LS6????


...nope...it'll get the LS7...

...the LS6 will have been discarded like a cheap dime store novel by then...

...yesterday's news...


 


Posted by Happy_Dan (Member # 118) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
Remember you have two new mouths to feed....

I have bird feeders, they can double as puppy feeders.
 


Posted by Joey Red (Member # 550) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
Now...

We know thw 2002 won't....

But will the 2003 Camaro get the LS6????


Man!!! You just don't stop do ya Jim? I love it.


 


Posted by B00SS (Member # 847) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jimb0:

...and you're right...if there are no performance enhancements to be had with the '02 f-bodies (and in all probability there won't be), I'm sure they'll be a significant group of present LS1 f-bod owners graduating to the Vette.

It's the next logical step...


But what about those graduating from the Cavalier? They may not be $ready$ for the Vette.


 


Posted by jimb0 (Member # 176) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by B00SS:
But what about those graduating from the Cavalier? They may not be $ready$ for the Vette.

...they also may not be ready for rear wheel drive...


 


Posted by jvanforx@cs.com (Member # 406) on :
 
i believe that ron zarella used to be a sales
man at bausch & lomb (optical equipment) gi-
ving him ample experience in the automotive
field. i also wonder if the ls 1 will remain
as it will be used only in the corvette.
 
Posted by JeffY (Member # 120) on :
 
The LS1 components are used in many different engines in GM-mostly truck.
 


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