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Non participating observer. It might not be as much for Kerry, as it is against Bush.
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quote:Originally posted by Fbodfather: I'm not so sure you can generalize saying that when repubicans are in office we're at war...go look at the rest of the 20th century.
Yes, I've always found it interesting that the Dems. never talk about which party was in power during the 10 years of Viet Nam.
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quote:Originally posted by 98-mongooSSe: When democrats are in office, the economy is good & we're not at war. It seems to be just the opposite when the republicans are in.
Hmmm...remember Jimmy Carter..'Stagflation'...the hostages in Iran and our response???
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I got another one. Ever notice that most of the liberals on this site are waxers while most of the conservatives are into engine mods. Do you think it's because that for the Dems. it's all about flash and looks and for the Repubs. it's all about power?
Sitting peacably on the the fence, just to the right center.
quote:Originally posted by Z28-SORR: I got another one. Ever notice that most of the liberals on this site are waxers while most of the conservatives are into engine mods. Do you think it's because that for the Dems. it's all about flash and looks and for the Repubs. it's all about power?
Sitting peacably on the the fence, just to the right center.
That is soo funny Citing that JeffY is one of the left slanted members I would say your observation is incorrect, but still funny.
...and remember; confuscouis say,"He who sit on fence get splinter up butt."
My opinion on Bush is that while he certainly isn't the most impressive speaker and I feel like slapping my TV eveytime he says, "uhhhm...err..." I still feel better about him than any of the alternatives. He, like his father is willing to risk his popularity by doing what he feels is the right thing to do. He has formulated that direction based on sound moral ground. The times we are in now could be the beginning of the end, or the end of the terrorists beginning.
quote:Originally posted by Z28-SORR: I got another one. Ever notice that most of the liberals on this site are waxers while most of the conservatives are into engine mods. Do you think it's because that for the Dems. it's all about flash and looks and for the Repubs. it's all about power?
Sitting peacably on the the fence, just to the right center.
Wow, you just earned all my respect right there! I've now changed my mind!
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quote:Originally posted by Fbodfather: I really hate war.....
---but one thing keeps going thru my mind....everyone tried to ignore Germany in the late 30s.....and Churchill and Roosevelt were criticized for their actions.....
6 million Jews died because of a madman.
No weapons of mass destruction? How did all those Kurds die, then?? ( I just don't think it was purple koolaid......)
Damnit Scott, will you stop trying to confuse this debate with facts and logic?
quote:Originally posted by MMMM_ERT:
Mert wins! Jeri Ryan can assimilate me anytime she wants!!!
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I love reading this crap! It's soooo easy to criticize. If you think you can do a better job go right ahead and run for office and do it better.
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quote:Originally posted by Joey Red: I love reading this crap! It's soooo easy to criticize. If you think you can do a better job go right ahead and run for office and do it better.
At the risk of waking to an equine cranium...
Joey, while running for office may be possible, your statement is the ultimate in over simplification.
Most of us are lucky to manage success as parents, workers and members of society. Running for office is more like a dream of NFL stardom or perhaps a winning lottery ticket.
What we can do however, is VOTE, and that's why conversations like this do have merit. I am fairly conservitive, but I try to have an open mind. I remember some years ago JeffY responded with ...err, uh different viewpoint than mine. I have met others that I respect with such an opposing viewpoint and the respect I have for them makes me listen. I haven't been convinced to change my vote yet, but I do listen.
Discussion is always good, many a discussion has avoided unnecessary acts of violence.
Freedom of speech is one of our most important rights...without it, all others will be stifled.
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Of course many a discussion has led to acts of violence and divorce too :
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You know, there was a time on this board I was asked to delete a thread discussing Elian Gonzales because it was too political of a subject for a car forum.
Maybe the moderators here arent such power abusing post Nazis afterall.
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quote:Originally posted by chrisL: You know, there was a time on this board I was asked to delete a thread discussing Elian Gonzales because it was too political of a subject for a car forum.
Maybe the moderators here arent such power abusing post Nazis afterall.
quote:Originally posted by SSHEETS: Youjust won't let things go will you pete!!!!!
(that was a long drive home ) [/QB]
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quote:Originally posted by Z28-SORR: I got another one. Ever notice that most of the liberals on this site are waxers while most of the conservatives are into engine mods. Do you think it's because that for the Dems. it's all about flash and looks and for the Repubs. it's all about power?
Sitting peacably on the the fence, just to the right center.
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!! Thats great!!!
I am reminded of what Tom Clancy said the first time I saw him on the O'Reilly Factor:
"The difference between liberals and conservatives is that when a bridge collapses, the liberals want to build a pretty monument to the people who died. Conservatives want to find out what went wrong and fix the problem."
Personally, I think that at this point in history, its the conservatives who are the fighters, and the liberals who are the cowards.
Earlier, in the last century, it was the other way around. Conservatives supported isolationism, and keeping out of world affairs, which at the time was the status quo. Liberals on the other hand were the ones with odd views (i.e. the lend-lease act helping britain with its war against Germany). Fortunately, when Pearl Harbor happened, everyone banded together and we all kicked butt.
Or, as a friend of mine explained it one day, "You dont like alternative music because its different, huh? You know what the alternative music in the 1960's and 1970's was, dont you? Your probably familiar with it, we call it country music right now."
it all boils down to perspective.
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It is not a war. There is a recession about every 4 years. People are idiots when it comes to the economy, and could care less about it just aslong as they get the 3% at the end of the year.
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quote:Originally posted by Joey Red: I love reading this crap! It's soooo easy to criticize. If you think you can do a better job go right ahead and run for office and do it better.
At the risk of waking to an equine cranium...
Joey, while running for office may be possible, your statement is the ultimate in over simplification.
Most of us are lucky to manage success as parents, workers and members of society. Running for office is more like a dream of NFL stardom or perhaps a winning lottery ticket.
Um, I'm going to go ahead and sort of have to disagree with you there on that one. ANY citizen of the United States who meets the qualifications for the office of the President of the United States has the right to run for that office if they choose to do so. In fact, now there's legislation allowing you to receive campaign funds while paying your own salary from those funds! It was done with the idea (read illusion ) that the "average Joe" could compete for the office. Will Joe Blow off the street win? Probably not, but to discount the fact that running for a public office is a pipe-dream is a bit limiting in scope, if you ask me. If qualified in all respects, put your name in the hat and campaign your butt off. Just hope you can pick up some financial backing along the way and then you can call me from the White House in January.
As George Carlin points out, I find it ironic that all the people who claim to know how to run the country the best aren't in office.
It is so sad that it costs so much to vie for a job that obviously has been tainted with corporate funds. I'm very surprised we don't see sponsor advertising on the side of Air Force one or company billboards on the White House lawn.
But I agree, your vote counts. Even if you think it's a sham, your vote is your voice and it is your right to do so, but moreover, it should be your duty as a citizen. I've had the folks I've voted for lose, and some have won (I'm batting .667 in presidential elections so far), but either way, I put my say in. Rhetorically speaking, if your guy/gal loses, you can always complain, but if you choose not to vote, just shut the hell up and live with who the rest of us voting public chooses.
I doubt if anyone is going to change any minds here, but at least people are discussing stuff that matters to them. Wish more people would. I had never intended all this partisan sort of talk when I started this thread, but it's good to hear other people's views. It helps to either strengthen or weaken our own views.
I like the question that was raised: Why would you vote for Bush/Kerry? Why do you "hate" Kerry/Bush?
A guy at work says his sister deeply despises Bush, so he asked what she didn't like about him. She said he didn't like how he smiles. She never gave a specific policy reason, just that his smile creeped her out. Wow, if that's how we're choosing our candidates, no wonder we deserve whoever we get! OW!
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quote:Originally posted by Joey Red: I love reading this crap! It's soooo easy to criticize. If you think you can do a better job go right ahead and run for office and do it better.
At the risk of waking to an equine cranium...
Joey, while running for office may be possible, your statement is the ultimate in over simplification.
Most of us are lucky to manage success as parents, workers and members of society. Running for office is more like a dream of NFL stardom or perhaps a winning lottery ticket.
Um, I'm going to go ahead and sort of have to disagree with you there on that one. ANY citizen of the United States who meets the qualifications for the office of the President of the United States has the right to run for that office if they choose to do so. In fact, now there's legislation allowing you to receive campaign funds while paying your own salary from those funds! It was done with the idea (read illusion ) that the "average Joe" could compete for the office. Will Joe Blow off the street win? Probably not, but to discount the fact that running for a public office is a pipe-dream is a bit limiting in scope, if you ask me. If qualified in all respects, put your name in the hat and campaign your butt off. Just hope you can pick up some financial backing along the way and then you can call me from the White House in January.
As George Carlin points out, I find it ironic that all the people who claim to know how to run the country the best aren't in office.
It is so sad that it costs so much to vie for a job that obviously has been tainted with corporate funds. I'm very surprised we don't see sponsor advertising on the side of Air Force one or company billboards on the White House lawn.
But I agree, your vote counts. Even if you think it's a sham, your vote is your voice and it is your right to do so, but moreover, it should be your duty as a citizen. I've had the folks I've voted for lose, and some have won (I'm batting .667 in presidential elections so far), but either way, I put my say in. Rhetorically speaking, if your guy/gal loses, you can always complain, but if you choose not to vote, just shut the hell up and live with who the rest of us voting public chooses.
I doubt if anyone is going to change any minds here, but at least people are discussing stuff that matters to them. Wish more people would. I had never intended all this partisan sort of talk when I started this thread, but it's good to hear other people's views. It helps to either strengthen or weaken our own views.
I like the question that was raised: Why would you vote for Bush/Kerry? Why do you "hate" Kerry/Bush?
A guy at work says his sister deeply despises Bush, so he asked what she didn't like about him. She said he didn't like how he smiles. She never gave a specific policy reason, just that his smile creeped her out. Wow, if that's how we're choosing our candidates, no wonder we deserve whoever we get! OW!
First, you pretty much proved my point with words like illusion and to get Joe Bloe in ofice.
Second, the sponsership on Air Force one is there...it's just not painted on the outside
Lastly, I absolutely agree, DON'T VOTE, DON'T COMPLAIN
quote:Originally posted by SSHEETS: First, you pretty much proved my point with words like illusion and to get Joe Bloe in ofice.
I don't think you're keeping an open mind here and using all available critical thinking skills. I didn't "prove" your point. You just assumed I did. Realistically speaking, I agree the chances are very slim that Joe Blow would be elected, but the chance is not zero as you wished to infer, as long as he's in the race. If he suddenly came into a bazillion dollars, he may could afford to make a serious run for it, who knows? Every successful campaign starts with that person putting their name in the ring.
The same can be said for the Montreal Expos' chances of winning the pennant this year. Probably won't happen, but they're in the running for now. If they didn't think they had any sort of shot at it, they wouldn't put a team on the field. It's all in your perspective. John Kerry was expected to lose bigtime to Howard Dean in the primaries. Guess what happened? If he tossed in the towel early, he may have never known he would have come out on top.
The only point I was trying to "prove" is that regardless of what your chances really are, you can't hit a home run if you don't get in the batter's box and swing the bat. Did anyone ever think that Bill Clinton would grow up to be a two-term president when he was in 2nd grade? The difference between him being just another Joe Blow and President was, as we all know...Hillary.
Nothing personal here, I enjoy these discussions, actually.
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quote:Originally posted by SSHEETS: First, you pretty much proved my point with words like illusion and to get Joe Bloe in ofice.
I don't think you're keeping an open mind here and using all available critical thinking skills. I didn't "prove" your point. You just assumed I did. Realistically speaking, I agree the chances are very slim that Joe Blow would be elected, but the chance is not zero as you wished to infer, as long as he's in the race. If he suddenly came into a bazillion dollars, he may could afford to make a serious run for it, who knows? Every successful campaign starts with that person putting their name in the ring.
The same can be said for the Montreal Expos' chances of winning the pennant this year. Probably won't happen, but they're in the running for now. If they didn't think they had any sort of shot at it, they wouldn't put a team on the field. It's all in your perspective. John Kerry was expected to lose bigtime to Howard Dean in the primaries. Guess what happened? If he tossed in the towel early, he may have never known he would have come out on top.
The only point I was trying to "prove" is that regardless of what your chances really are, you can't hit a home run if you don't get in the batter's box and swing the bat. Did anyone ever think that Bill Clinton would grow up to be a two-term president when he was in 2nd grade? The difference between him being just another Joe Blow and President was, as we all know...Hillary.
Nothing personal here, I enjoy these discussions, actually.
...and just when I was about to give up buying lottery tickets
I too enjoy the battle if witts...albeit sometimes I come ill prepared to wage war
This is one of the best things you wrote.
"I didn't "prove" your point. You just assumed I did."
So very true how inturpretation is so subjective. I love the Saying perception is reality.
quote:Originally posted by TimeLord: No !! We don't have any carriers that big anymore!!!!!!
I don't think we have any carriers at all!
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quote:Originally posted by TimeLord: No !! We don't have any carriers that big anymore!!!!!!
I don't think we have any carriers at all!
Actually the last Carrier we had was the Bonaventure I think,it was a used Royal Navy boat that we refurbished for 6 or 7 Million $$ in 1965 then scrapped in 69 or 70 if I remember correctly!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by HOSS: Here's a straight forward question for everyone planning on voting for John Kerry in this election...
Why will you vote for John Kerry?
I REALLY think its interesting that NO one...not ONE individual has come forward with an answer...
Byrdman
OOOOOOKAY.....here I go.....first of all, I'm a Democrat, and second, to vote against Bush..... Posts: 3236 | From: Dallas, Texas | Registered: Nov 2002
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quote:Originally posted by TimeLord: Actually the last Carrier we had was the Bonaventure I think,it was a used Royal Navy boat that we refurbished for 6 or 7 Million $$ in 1965 then scrapped in 69 or 70 if I remember correctly!!!!
You are correct, sir!
The Bonny's last operational flight was on 28 October 1969. She was decommissioned at Halifax on 3 July 1970 and sold for scrap and broken up by the end of 1971.
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Well you know what "they" say, If you want an argument, bring up sex, politics, or religion. As discussions go on this board, this one has been pretty civil.
And Millie, I'm shocked, and you a Texan!!
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quote:Originally posted by MCKNBRD: Well, thats one...and pretty much what I was expecting...I assume this means you always tow the party line?
Byrdman
Yessir, I do.....I come from a long line of "yellow dog" Democrats....
quote:Originally posted by Z28-SORR: And Millie, I'm shocked, and you a Texan!!
Bush ain't no Texan like.....*in hushed tones*.....LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON was a Texan..... Posts: 3236 | From: Dallas, Texas | Registered: Nov 2002
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quote:Originally posted by HOSS: Here's a straight forward question for everyone planning on voting for John Kerry in this election...
Why will you vote for John Kerry?
I REALLY think its interesting that NO one...not ONE individual has come forward with an answer...
Byrdman
OOOOOOKAY.....here I go.....first of all, I'm a Democrat, and second, to vote against Bush.....
Well, thats one...and pretty much what I was expecting...I assume this means you always tow the party line?
Byrdman
Any more takers on this straight forward question?
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